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  • I received a Server Alert which told me my password was invalid; however, it
    didn't say which one! After trying everything I could think of, I finally
    vaguely remembered that I when I set up my Domain name of
    (computercare7.homeserver.com) I had been asked for my Windows Live ID.
     
    OK, comedy of errors here:
     
    1. I reinstalled Windows 7 Ultimate onto a new hard drive.
    2. When setting up Jochen Kalmbach's version of the NNTP Community Bridge so
    I could read forums as NNTP, things went to heck in a handbasket real soon,
    and in desperation, I changed the password for my Windows Live ID.
    3. After reading the Community Bridge setup instructions for the nth time, I
    finally got things straightened out and was able to get to these forums via
    NNTP.
    4. WHS Vail threw an alert that I now had an invalid password. (Of course, I
    hadn't snapped to what I'd done yet.)
    5. You over there . . . stop giggling! Oh, right, this is a Comedy of
    Errors.
    7. I clicked on "Retype your password". After trying every ID/Password
    (Nancy Ward; Admin; Admistrative, etc., it seemed that nothing worked.
    6. I vaguely remembered that at some point I'd been asked for my Windows
    Live ID during setup of Vail. But not at WHAT point.
    8. So, I typed my Windows Live ID and password, and it still told me I had
    the wrong password. However, this time it didn't act the same as before.
    Sigh . . .
    9. I clicked on Repair and left the computer alone to swim in it's own error
    pool.
    10. Told that didn't work, it told me to click on Retry, so I did and left
    it alone once more.
    11. Imagine my surprise when I came back and was told things are fine once
    more!
     
    This is all from memory, and I may have missed a step, but the main thing is
    that WHS Vail is working right.
     
    What would have made this much, much easier is if Vail had told me it wanted
    my Live ID and password, rather than the one I set up for the actual Server.
     
    --
    Nancy Ward
    Windows 8 Beta Ferret
     
     

    Nancy Ward
    Tuesday, September 7, 2010 3:30 AM

Answers

  • Okay, product suggestion, then. :)

     

    You wrote "What would have made this much, much easier is if Vail had told me it wanted my Live ID and password, rather than the one I set up for the actual Server."


    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:13 AM
    Moderator

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  • Bugged on Connect?
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Tuesday, September 7, 2010 12:37 PM
    Moderator
  •  
    "Ken Warren [MVP]" wrote in message
    news:30f83ca0-2cb5-445a-909c-ff3fb38b8105@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    > Bugged on Connect?
    > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    >
    Should I bug it, Ken? Seems to me it was my own fault, and I didn't think it
    was an actual bug.
     
    But if I should, I shall. :)
    --
    Nancy Ward
    Windows 8 Beta Ferret
     
     

    Nancy Ward
    Tuesday, September 7, 2010 10:38 PM
  • Nancy,
     
    Just my 2¢ worth, but if it truncated with warning you, I would bug it.

    --
     
    _______________
     
      BullDawg
      In God We Trust
    _______________
     
    "Ken Warren [MVP]" wrote in message
    news:30f83ca0-2cb5-445a-909c-ff3fb38b8105@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    > Bugged on Connect?
    > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    >
    Should I bug it, Ken? Seems to me it was my own fault, and I didn't think it
    was an actual bug.
     
    But if I should, I shall. :)
    --
    Nancy Ward
    Windows 8 Beta Ferret
     
     

    Nancy Ward

    BullDawg
    Wednesday, September 8, 2010 12:40 AM
  • On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:40:24 +0000, BullDawg wrote:

    Just my 2? worth, but if it truncated with warning you, I would bug it.

    Nothing got truncated. When you create a user account in Vail, the default
    user account name is the first name of the user one creates.


    Paul Adare
    MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
    http://www.identit.ca

    Wednesday, September 8, 2010 1:16 AM
  • Okay, product suggestion, then. :)

     

    You wrote "What would have made this much, much easier is if Vail had told me it wanted my Live ID and password, rather than the one I set up for the actual Server."


    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:13 AM
    Moderator
  • "with" should equal "without"

    --
     
    _______________
     
      BullDawg
      In God We Trust
    _______________
    Nancy,
     
    Just my 2¢ worth, but if it truncated with warning you, I would bug it.

    --
     
    _______________
     
      BullDawg
      In God We Trust
    _______________
     
    "Ken Warren [MVP]" wrote in message
    news:30f83ca0-2cb5-445a-909c-ff3fb38b8105@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    > Bugged on Connect?
    > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    >
    Should I bug it, Ken? Seems to me it was my own fault, and I didn't think it
    was an actual bug.
     
    But if I should, I shall. :)
    --
    Nancy Ward
    Windows 8 Beta Ferret
     
     

    Nancy Ward

    BullDawg

    BullDawg
    Wednesday, September 8, 2010 1:00 PM
  •  
    "BullDawg" wrote in message
    news:45b59a5c-7fe2-49d9-9734-5fb9c088750d@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    > "with" should equal "without"
    > --
    >  BullDawg
    >  In God We Trust
    > _______________
    >  <BullDawg> wrote in message
    > news:adbbfce2-b5f6-43b5-9fd8-b5a70045904e@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    >  Nancy,
    >
    >  Just my 2¢ worth, but if it truncated with warning you, I would bug it.
    >  --
    >    BullDawg
    >    In God We Trust
    >  _______________
     
    How funny, BullDawg, but I read it as "without".
     
    I cannot remember exactly which setting truncated Nancy Ward to Nancy, but I
    do know it didn't happen when I initially set up WHS Vail Refresh. That
    setting, which is Nancy Ward + Password worked just fine in the initial
    setup and works just fine from my desktop to the Dashboard. It happened when
    I set something else up, but I'm not sure what.
     
    I may have to format the drive and start all over to see exactly which is
    which and what is what. Right now, I'm so confused I don't know which is my
    desktop and which is my server. :,) Just kidding, of course, but I am
    confused.
    --
    Nancy Ward
    Windows 8 Beta Ferret
     
     

    Nancy Ward
    Wednesday, September 8, 2010 1:43 PM
  • Nancy.. you're not alone in being confused. I am so confused with Vail, as to what is
    being backed up where and why, that I am about ready to just scrap it and turn the Vail
    server back into a regular computer. I have a total of almost 3 terabytes of hard drives
    attached to Vail, yet I am being told the server backups (which has 3 X 500 GB assigned to
    it - 2 X 500GB internal drives, and one 500 GB external drive) are unsuccessful due to
    there not being enough room. Yet the properties summary shows the external 500GB drive
    half full, one internal 500GB drive right full, and the other internal 500GB drive empty.
     
    I have a 1.5 TB hard drive assigned to the default storage pool, and it is half full - 52
    GB for folders (what folders I have no idea, but I assumed it was shares since that nearly
    matches what I actually copied over to shares), 235 GB for client computer backups (only 3
    clients), 212 GB for Data protection (supposedly duplication I guess, but I am unclear as
    to exactly what gets duplicated), and 605 GB free space.
     
    I keep switching drives from one to the other because I am totally confused as to which
    section (storage pool or server storage) needs the most space. I look in properties of the
    server backups and I see what looks like shares (pics, docs, video, etc..) in there. Yet,
    what the heck then is the 52 GBs of 'folders' in the storage pool? I assumed 'that' was
    shares, although I have moved only 45 GBs of data to shares, mostly music, videos, and
    pictures.
     
    If this thing is supposed to cater to the average home consumer, and be a simply to use
    and understand backup and storage system (never mind being able or not able to actually
    'serve' as in 'stream' anything to client computers, then for me it fails miserably. They
    would be better off IMO to cater to the 'enthusiast' and technical users, and then
    encourage them to assist the average home user to set up the server with their assistance.
     
    I really can't see the average home user that has several computers and a bunch of
    pictures, video (DVDs etc), recorded TV and so on being able to understand how to use this
    thing even if they know enough to know that they want to have some kind of home server.
     
    I am really having a hard time understanding the rational the team is using with regard to
    developing Vail.
     
    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "Nancy Ward" wrote in message
    news:f53b8310-4348-47d7-8394-a53f1756b5cd@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
     
    "BullDawg" wrote in message
    news:45b59a5c-7fe2-49d9-9734-5fb9c088750d@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    > "with" should equal "without"
    > --
    >  BullDawg
    >  In God We Trust
    > _______________
    >  <BullDawg> wrote in message
    > news:adbbfce2-b5f6-43b5-9fd8-b5a70045904e@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    >  Nancy,
    >
    >  Just my 2¢ worth, but if it truncated with warning you, I would bug it.
    >  --
    >    BullDawg
    >    In God We Trust
    >  _______________
     
    How funny, BullDawg, but I read it as "without".
     
    I cannot remember exactly which setting truncated Nancy Ward to Nancy, but I
    do know it didn't happen when I initially set up WHS Vail Refresh. That
    setting, which is Nancy Ward + Password worked just fine in the initial
    setup and works just fine from my desktop to the Dashboard. It happened when
    I set something else up, but I'm not sure what.
     
    I may have to format the drive and start all over to see exactly which is
    which and what is what. Right now, I'm so confused I don't know which is my
    desktop and which is my server. :,) Just kidding, of course, but I am
    confused.
    --
    Nancy Ward
    Windows 8 Beta Ferret
     Nancy Ward
     
     
    Wednesday, September 8, 2010 8:41 PM
  • Nancy.. you're not alone in being confused. I am so confused with Vail, as to what is being backed up where and why, that I am about ready to just scrap it and turn the Vail
    server back into a regular computer. I have a total of almost 3 terabytes of hard drives attached to Vail, yet I am being told the server backups (which has 3 X 500 GB assigned to
    it - 2 X 500GB internal drives, and one 500 GB external drive) are unsuccessful due to there not being enough room. Yet the properties summary shows the external 500GB drive
    half full, one internal 500GB drive right full, and the other internal 500GB drive empty.
     
    Nowhere do you say how much data you're trying to backup though.
    I have a 1.5 TB hard drive assigned to the default storage pool, and it is half full - 52GB for folders (what folders I have no idea, but I assumed it was shares since that nearly matches what I actually copied over to shares), 235 GB for client computer backups (only 3 clients), 212 GB for Data protection (supposedly duplication I guess, but I am unclear as to exactly what gets duplicated), and 605 GB free space.
    Data Protection is also where the amount of storage used for ECC gets listed.  As for what gets duplicated, that depends on whether you've changed any of the default settings or not.  If not, the default is everything except Shadow Copies (and perhaps Client Computer Backups, not sure about that one as I've sufficiently "altered" my Vail install at this point).
     
    I keep switching drives from one to the other because I am totally confused as to which section (storage pool or server storage) needs the most space. I look in properties of the server backups and I see what looks like shares (pics, docs, video, etc..) in there. Yet, what the heck then is the 52 GBs of 'folders' in the storage pool? I assumed 'that' was shares, although I have moved only 45 GBs of data to shares, mostly music, videos, and pictures.

    If this thing is supposed to cater to the average home consumer, and be a simply to use and understand backup and storage system (never mind being able or not able to actually 'serve' as in 'stream' anything to client computers, then for me it fails miserably. They would be better off IMO to cater to the 'enthusiast' and technical users, and then encourage them to assist the average home user to set up the server with their assistance.

    I really can't see the average home user that has several computers and a bunch of pictures, video (DVDs etc), recorded TV and so on being able to understand how to use this thing even if they know enough to know that they want to have some kind of home server.

    I am really having a hard time understanding the rational the team is using with regard to developing Vail.

    Art [artfudd] Folden

    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!

    ----------------------------------------------

    Drives are either A) part of the storage pool (which is used for data storage and client backups) or B) a backup drive for the server (to take your server data, OS, system state, etc. off-site).  One has absolutely nothing to do with the other (in other words, don't try to use the same drive for both functions by switching back and forth).  Treat each function as its own and it will be much easier to understand.  :)
    Thursday, September 9, 2010 5:00 AM
    Moderator
  • *Inline..
     
    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "kariya21 [MVP]" wrote in message
    news:ae78d864-46f3-4878-b264-23cb5dba19e0@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
     
    Nancy.. you're not alone in being confused. I am so confused with Vail, as to what is
    being backed up where and why, that I am about ready to just scrap it and turn the Vail
    server back into a regular computer. I have a total of almost 3 terabytes of hard drives
    attached to Vail, yet I am being told the server backups (which has 3 X 500 GB assigned to
    it - 2 X 500GB internal drives, and one 500 GB external drive) are unsuccessful due to
    there not being enough room. Yet the properties summary shows the external 500GB drive
    half full, one internal 500GB drive right full, and the other internal 500GB drive empty.
     
    *Nowhere do you say how much data you're trying to backup though.
    **Yes I did... 3 operating systems, and 45 GB of music, video, pics, etc.
     
    I have a 1.5 TB hard drive assigned to the default storage pool, and it is half full -
    52GB for folders (what folders I have no idea, but I assumed it was shares since that
    nearly matches what I actually copied over to shares), 235 GB for client computer backups
    (only 3 clients), 212 GB for Data protection (supposedly duplication I guess, but I am
    unclear as to exactly what gets duplicated), and 605 GB free space.
     
    *Data Protection is also where the amount of storage used for ECC gets listed.  As for
    what gets duplicated, that depends on whether you've changed any of the default settings
    or not.  If not, the default is everything except Shadow Copies (and perhaps Client
    Computer Backups, not sure about that one as I've sufficiently "altered" my Vail install
    at this point).
    **I didn't change any defaults. What is ECC? And exactly what is shadow copies? Copies of
    what?
     
    I keep switching drives from one to the other because I am totally confused as to which
    section (storage pool or server storage) needs the most space. I look in properties of the
    server backups and I see what looks like shares (pics, docs, video, etc..) in there. Yet,
    what the heck then is the 52 GBs of 'folders' in the storage pool? I assumed 'that' was
    shares, although I have moved only 45 GBs of data to shares, mostly music, videos, and
    pictures.
     
    If this thing is supposed to cater to the average home consumer, and be a simply to use
    and understand backup and storage system (never mind being able or not able to actually
    'serve' as in 'stream' anything to client computers, then for me it fails miserably. They
    would be better off IMO to cater to the 'enthusiast' and technical users, and then
    encourage them to assist the average home user to set up the server with their assistance.
     
    I really can't see the average home user that has several computers and a bunch of
    pictures, video (DVDs etc), recorded TV and so on being able to understand how to use this
    thing even if they know enough to know that they want to have some kind of home server.
     
    I am really having a hard time understanding the rational the team is using with regard to
    developing Vail.
     
    Art [artfudd] Folden
     
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
     
    ----------------------------------------------
     
    *Drives are either A) part of the storage pool (which is used for data storage and client
    backups) or B) a backup drive for the server (to take your server data, OS, system state,
    etc. off-site).  One has absolutely nothing to do with the other (in other words, don't
    try to use the same drive for both functions by switching back and forth).  Treat each
    function as its own and it will be much easier to understand.  :)
    **So then why does it show client backups in both? And what exactly is "server data" - it
    must not be the server OS since you list that separate? How can it be 'much easier' if I
    can't tell what is used for what? I see no practical way to know how much hard drive space
    to a lot to each. I switched because I thought I must have had it wrong as to what is
    backed up/stored on each. It is totally confusing and ambiguous IMO. So the big question
    is, how in heck do they think this will all be easily understood by their claimed target
    audience?
     
     
    Thursday, September 9, 2010 5:48 PM
  • Yes I did... 3 operating systems, and 45 GB of music, video, pics, etc. 
    Sorry, yes you did (albeit further down the post).  In any event, based on what you're saying, you're trying to backup 45 GB of server data and 235 GB of Client Backups to an empty 500 GB drive and it says there isn't enough room, right?  If so, have you tried disconnecting all of the server backup drives except for the empty one, then run it?
    I didn't change any defaults. What is ECC? And exactly what is shadow copies? Copies of what?
    ECC = Error Correction Code.  Wikipedia gives a pretty good (although fairly technical) explanation of both Error Correction Code and Shadow Copies.
    So then why does it show client backups in both?
    Because Client Computer Backups is part of the server data listed in the Dashboard (along with Music, Pictures, Videos, etc.).  Your client backups are stored there (so obviously it will show up there).  In addition, if you've backed up your Client Computer Backup folder to an external drive, you will see the client backups there as well.
    And what exactly is "server data" - it must not be the server OS since you list that separate?
    Correct.  I used that term to basically mean any folder shown in the Server Folders tab.
    How can it be 'much easier' if I can't tell what is used for what?
    I don't know what you mean by this unless you're referring to the hard drive usage (whether it's a storage pool drive or a backup drive) and if that's what you meant, I already answered that last time.
    I see no practical way to know how much hard drive space to a lot to each.
    You don't allot hard drive space to anything.  You allot a hard drive by deciding whether the drive is used for the storage pool or for backups, nothing else.  (This is exactly the same as v1.)
    I switched because I thought I must have had it wrong as to what is backed up/stored on each. It is totally confusing and ambiguous IMO. So the big question is, how in heck do they think this will all be easily understood by their claimed target audience?
    It seems self-explanatory to me (either you use the drive as part of the storage pool or you use it for backing up your server), but if you think it's too confusing, you should file a suggestion on Connect.
    Saturday, September 11, 2010 4:20 AM
    Moderator