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  • The Problem: Using Norton ghost to clone/backup systems de-activates Windows 7 Professional.

    Scenario:  I have cycling administrative teams of 50 to 100 people.  I have 100 identical laptops.  Each came with a full, legal copy of Windows 7 Professional.  I want to have 50-100 of these deployed to my temporary teams until they leave.  At which point, I want to provide their replacements with "CLEAN" images that I have saved.  In the past, with XP, I've used a NetBoot with Norton Ghost to create images and blow them onto the machines quickly each time my teams cycle out.  Windows 7 requires activation every time the image in transfered, OR for that matter, anytime the image is deployed at all (even to the original machine.  During the summer season, I cycle employees every 2 weeks.  If I activate every machine, every time, that's 600 activations...probably won't work.

    What I've been told:  MS has changed it's license agreement so that they no longer allow backups of activated operating systems.  Upon image recovery, if you use third party software, you MUST reactivate every time.  There may be a way to do it with MAIK, but it requires a complete redesign of our DHCP server.  I am supposed to use a Volume license even though every machine has a valid Windows 7 Professional License.  

    My question is 2 parts:

    1.  Is there a way around the deactivation?  Again, I'd like to reiterate that each computer was purchased with a Windows 7 License.

    2.  If I do in fact have to use Volume licensing, will I be able activate 600 times every summer, and not have to pay...well..anything, since I have the original 100 licenses?  And, would I have to deal with an audit every year due to the large number of activations on my volume license.

    I have a 3rd question and it's more philosophical:  How can Microsoft quit literally prevent an individual from backing up and restoring an OS without connecting to MS servers every time?   And how can they justify forcing someone with valid individual licenses, to report their license usage EVERY time a restore is run?

    Friday, January 7, 2011 10:23 PM

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  • "Puxatawny" wrote in message news:d4d5ff18-b26b-4233-be93-54bba17a747b...

    The Problem: Using Norton ghost to clone/backup systems de-activates Windows 7 Professional.

    Scenario:  I have cycling administrative teams of 50 to 100 people.  I have 100 identical laptops.  Each came with a full, legal copy of Windows 7 Professional.  I want to have 50-100 of these deployed to my temporary teams until they leave.  At which point, I want to provide their replacements with "CLEAN" images that I have saved.  In the past, with XP, I've used a NetBoot with Norton Ghost to create images and blow them onto the machines quickly each time my teams cycle out.  Windows 7 requires activation every time the image in transfered, OR for that matter, anytime the image is deployed at all (even to the original machine.  During the summer season, I cycle employees every 2 weeks.  If I activate every machine, every time, that's 600 activations...probably won't work.

    What I've been told:  MS has changed it's license agreement so that they no longer allow backups of activated operating systems.  Upon image recovery, if you use third party software, you MUST reactivate every time.  There may be a way to do it with MAIK, but it requires a complete redesign of our DHCP server.  I am supposed to use a Volume license even though every machine has a valid Windows 7 Professional License.  

    My question is 2 parts:

    1.  Is there a way around the deactivation?  Again, I'd like to reiterate that each computer was purchased with a Windows 7 License.

    2.  If I do in fact have to use Volume licensing, will I be able activate 600 times every summer, and not have to pay...well..anything, since I have the original 100 licenses?  And, would I have to deal with an audit every year due to the large number of activations on my volume license.

    I have a 3rd question and it's more philosophical:  How can Microsoft quit literally prevent an individual from backing up and restoring an OS without connecting to MS servers every time?   And how can they justify forcing someone with valid individual licenses, to report their license usage EVERY time a restore is run?


    My suspicion is that your problem is with Norton - I have seen it mentioned elsewhere (can't remember where)
    How are these machines partitioned?
    I'd try asking in the Norton support forums - but AFAIK, it's nothing to do with activation per se.
    (Darin may have more detail on this, or you could try posting to a forum that specialises in Volume activation - this one is consumer-oriented)
     
     
     

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    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Friday, January 7, 2011 11:03 PM
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  •   I don't think I can be much help because I am not aware of the changes that you describe. I was still under the impression that cloning an activated copy of Windows 7 and then using that clone image on a PC would produce an already Activated copy of Windows 7 (except where hardware differences between the original and target PC causes a reactivation state).

      I have a feeling Noel may be correct about Norton (but I am not sure and have no proof). 

     I believe the first couple of results from this search http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?form=MSHOME&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&q=windows+7+image+deployment may answer your question or at least will set you in the right direction.

    Sorry I couldn't be more help,


    Darin MS
    Friday, January 7, 2011 11:23 PM

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  • "Puxatawny" wrote in message news:d4d5ff18-b26b-4233-be93-54bba17a747b...

    The Problem: Using Norton ghost to clone/backup systems de-activates Windows 7 Professional.

    Scenario:  I have cycling administrative teams of 50 to 100 people.  I have 100 identical laptops.  Each came with a full, legal copy of Windows 7 Professional.  I want to have 50-100 of these deployed to my temporary teams until they leave.  At which point, I want to provide their replacements with "CLEAN" images that I have saved.  In the past, with XP, I've used a NetBoot with Norton Ghost to create images and blow them onto the machines quickly each time my teams cycle out.  Windows 7 requires activation every time the image in transfered, OR for that matter, anytime the image is deployed at all (even to the original machine.  During the summer season, I cycle employees every 2 weeks.  If I activate every machine, every time, that's 600 activations...probably won't work.

    What I've been told:  MS has changed it's license agreement so that they no longer allow backups of activated operating systems.  Upon image recovery, if you use third party software, you MUST reactivate every time.  There may be a way to do it with MAIK, but it requires a complete redesign of our DHCP server.  I am supposed to use a Volume license even though every machine has a valid Windows 7 Professional License.  

    My question is 2 parts:

    1.  Is there a way around the deactivation?  Again, I'd like to reiterate that each computer was purchased with a Windows 7 License.

    2.  If I do in fact have to use Volume licensing, will I be able activate 600 times every summer, and not have to pay...well..anything, since I have the original 100 licenses?  And, would I have to deal with an audit every year due to the large number of activations on my volume license.

    I have a 3rd question and it's more philosophical:  How can Microsoft quit literally prevent an individual from backing up and restoring an OS without connecting to MS servers every time?   And how can they justify forcing someone with valid individual licenses, to report their license usage EVERY time a restore is run?


    My suspicion is that your problem is with Norton - I have seen it mentioned elsewhere (can't remember where)
    How are these machines partitioned?
    I'd try asking in the Norton support forums - but AFAIK, it's nothing to do with activation per se.
    (Darin may have more detail on this, or you could try posting to a forum that specialises in Volume activation - this one is consumer-oriented)
     
     
     

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    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Friday, January 7, 2011 11:03 PM
    Moderator
  •   I don't think I can be much help because I am not aware of the changes that you describe. I was still under the impression that cloning an activated copy of Windows 7 and then using that clone image on a PC would produce an already Activated copy of Windows 7 (except where hardware differences between the original and target PC causes a reactivation state).

      I have a feeling Noel may be correct about Norton (but I am not sure and have no proof). 

     I believe the first couple of results from this search http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?form=MSHOME&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&q=windows+7+image+deployment may answer your question or at least will set you in the right direction.

    Sorry I couldn't be more help,


    Darin MS
    Friday, January 7, 2011 11:23 PM
  • Hello Puxatawny,

    You are performing a non-supported method of deploying images of OEM licensed installations.  The only Microsoft-supported method for installing images of OEM licenses is with the OEM Preinstallation Kit (OPK).

    Volume licensing deployment methods, such as the way you want to do it, require Volume Licenses.

    Friday, January 7, 2011 11:31 PM
  • "Dan at IT Associates" wrote in message news:c930e371-9f2b-4cb3-b838-efcbdf5b09c5...

    Volume licensing deployment methods, such as the way you want to do it, require Volume Licenses.


    (which is what he's complaining about, Dan <g> - he is using Volume licenses)

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    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Friday, January 7, 2011 11:37 PM
    Moderator
  • "Noel D Paton" wrote in message news:e076b0d2-ba49-4413-9d54-999aa4881372...
    "Dan at IT Associates" wrote in message news:c930e371-9f2b-4cb3-b838-efcbdf5b09c5...

    Volume licensing deployment methods, such as the way you want to do it, require Volume Licenses.


    (which is what he's complaining about, Dan <g> - he is using Volume licenses)

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    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth

    I take that back! - I may have misread what he said
     

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    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Friday, January 7, 2011 11:57 PM
    Moderator
  • "Darin Smith MS" wrote in message news:9907734e-ed89-40fe-99a9-f866a9671fb2...

      I don't think I can be much help because I am not aware of the changes that you describe. I was still under the impression that cloning an activated copy of Windows 7 and then using that clone image on a PC would produce an already Activated copy of Windows 7 (except where hardware differences between the original and target PC causes a reactivation state).

      I have a feeling Noel may be correct about Norton (but I am not sure and have no proof). 

     I believe the first couple of results from this search http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?form=MSHOME&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&q=windows+7+image+deployment may answer your question or at least will set you in the right direction.

    Sorry I couldn't be more help,


    Darin MS

     

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    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Saturday, January 8, 2011 12:15 AM
    Moderator