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Adding button to easily add images not user-friendly RRS feed

  • Question

  • Well certainly not user-friendly for people on slow lines or using slow computers (or both) as they are going to have to wait for all these images to open every time they try to read a post.

    This

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/sharepointworkflow/thread/3bddb604-ed84-4716-9b80-9f64fc9897b6

    is an example of two completely unnecessary *and large* screen prints that did not need to be included in the post (and certainly the entire pages were not necessary).

    Unfortunately this guy isn't alone and more and more people are taking advantage of your button to do this, whereas before although images could be added there was an effort barrier that kept casual adders of images away and made the people that did it think more about how much of an image was needed.

    So, anyone thinking of doing forum support at expensive - pay by the minute - Internet cafés; hotel lobbies and the like when on holiday can now forget it. It wasn't often a pleasant experience due to the slowness of those 1GB or less ancient PCs in opening forum posts but that was before there was yet another wait for images to open.

    A nice own-goal in soccer parlance.

    Mike Walsh


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
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    Friday, August 19, 2011 1:56 PM

Answers

  • This is a tough problem. Insert image used to be too hard even though it was 'possible'. We received complaints for years that it was too difficult and inconvenient. So we made it easier which causes other potential problems. So there isn't really an answer here that will please everyone. We have made an effort to limit sizes etc, but img src could pull in any image anyone wants to include, at least the ones we accept are typically smaller than obvious abuses. We are also looking at an optimization around server cache to make this better going forward.
    Community Forums Program Manager
    Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:09 AM
    Answerer
  • I'll double check and if not, log a design change request. I don't think as a rule we remove achievements. Proposed is but one of many many achievements so I'm not too concerned about it either way unless we have some evidence that achievement are causing some sort of abuse. 


    Community Forums Program Manager
    Sunday, August 21, 2011 6:31 AM
    Answerer
  • On the original issue.

    If someone proposes their own post as an answer they get the achievement for having Proposed as Answer. The new question is "Do they keep that achievement if the post is subsequently unproposed?" (and there aren't any proposed posts left) 

    It looks that way and if so it's an error in the software imo.

     

    Mike



    Currently that's not the case. It only counts if someone else proposes your answer. So to cheat you'd have to rock two accounts. And then again, as Brent mentions, it's for Achievements and not Recognition Points. Achievements are given to activities that don't necessarily make you an expert, such as getting your answer proposed but not marked.

    Thanks!


    Ed Price a.k.a User Ed, Microsoft Experience Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)
    Friday, September 30, 2011 2:16 AM
    Owner

All replies

  • This is a tough problem. Insert image used to be too hard even though it was 'possible'. We received complaints for years that it was too difficult and inconvenient. So we made it easier which causes other potential problems. So there isn't really an answer here that will please everyone. We have made an effort to limit sizes etc, but img src could pull in any image anyone wants to include, at least the ones we accept are typically smaller than obvious abuses. We are also looking at an optimization around server cache to make this better going forward.
    Community Forums Program Manager
    Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:09 AM
    Answerer
  • The same sort of problem (*) is there because of the ability to click and get a full quote of the message being replied to.

    Almost invariably it is used incorrectly - correctly being to use it and then get rid of all but the essential text. Invariably people don't even bother to get rid of the posters's sig lines and it's not seldom that I see full quote used when there is only one other post in the thread it could possibly apply to.

    There too if you need to copy / paste from the post being replied to, you are forced to think about what is the key part of the text and of course often don't bother quoting at all unless really necessary.

     

    Mike

     

    (*) There the problem is a great loss in screen space (+ needing to scroll more often than you should need to) rather than slowing down noticeably the loading of the pages but it's similar in that you are offering a function to ease use which is being abused.


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    WSS3/MOSS FAQ (FAQ and Links) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    Both also have links to extensive book lists and to (free) on-line chapters
    Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:21 AM
  • Yeah, I'd like to make quoting more efficient too. We have other things we are working on at the moment though. Thanks for the input.
    Community Forums Program Manager
    Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:14 AM
    Answerer
  • On the original issue.

    If someone proposes their own post as an answer they get the achievement for having Proposed as Answer. The new question is "Do they keep that achievement if the post is subsequently unproposed?" (and there aren't any proposed posts left) 

    It looks that way and if so it's an error in the software imo.

     

    Mike


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    WSS3/MOSS FAQ (FAQ and Links) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    Both also have links to extensive book lists and to (free) on-line chapters
    Saturday, August 20, 2011 9:15 AM
  • I'll double check and if not, log a design change request. I don't think as a rule we remove achievements. Proposed is but one of many many achievements so I'm not too concerned about it either way unless we have some evidence that achievement are causing some sort of abuse. 


    Community Forums Program Manager
    Sunday, August 21, 2011 6:31 AM
    Answerer
  • On the original issue.

    If someone proposes their own post as an answer they get the achievement for having Proposed as Answer. The new question is "Do they keep that achievement if the post is subsequently unproposed?" (and there aren't any proposed posts left) 

    It looks that way and if so it's an error in the software imo.

     

    Mike



    Currently that's not the case. It only counts if someone else proposes your answer. So to cheat you'd have to rock two accounts. And then again, as Brent mentions, it's for Achievements and not Recognition Points. Achievements are given to activities that don't necessarily make you an expert, such as getting your answer proposed but not marked.

    Thanks!


    Ed Price a.k.a User Ed, Microsoft Experience Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)
    Friday, September 30, 2011 2:16 AM
    Owner