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  • Question

  • Hi guys,

    I've noticed that my Community Contributor has been removed, which I'm going to assume means I didn't get renewed.

    Is there any transparency in that process?  My activity in the forums hasn't dropped in the slightest and I do take care to respond to those questions that I can answer.  I've seen people with less activity than me get MCC, so I'm slightly bemused.

    Cheers

    Steven


    Steven Andrews | SharePoint Professional | http://www.twitter.com/backpackerd00d | https://baron72.wordpress.com/

    Friday, February 17, 2012 5:08 PM

Answers

  • Apparently there is no automatic renewal process. Many people who got this early in the cycle already lost it.

    For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert. - Becker's Law


    My blog

    Friday, February 17, 2012 7:53 PM
    Moderator
  • Hi guys,

    I've noticed that my Community Contributor has been removed, which I'm going to assume means I didn't get renewed.

    Is there any transparency in that process?  My activity in the forums hasn't dropped in the slightest and I do take care to respond to those questions that I can answer.  I've seen people with less activity than me get MCC, so I'm slightly bemused.

    Cheers

    Steven


    Steven Andrews | SharePoint Professional | http://www.twitter.com/backpackerd00d | https://baron72.wordpress.com/

    The MCC awards are removed after a year. There is likely another assessment after that. The MCC program is independent of MSDN/TechNet, and so this isn't related to the Profile topic (other than the answer that the MCC status is supposed to be removed after a year).

    I recommend you ask the renewal question to the program administrators: MCCGA@Microsoft.com

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Experience Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:11 AM
    Owner
  • keep in mind that mcc doesnt only consider activity in the sites covered by the ms recognition point system. they added a few outside sites since they began with  the program, so the points don't have to be a indication of someones activity towards the award

    A direct quote from the MCC FAQ is as follows: -

    Q1. What is the Microsoft<sup>®</sup> Community Contributor Award?

    A1. It is an award offered by Microsoft which is designed to recognize notable contributions to Microsoft online community forums such as TechNet, MSDN<sup>®</sup>, and Answers.

    The points total are indicative of quality of response (marked responses and useful posts), with achivements being granted to quantative interaction, so I'd say they're acurate enough.  If according to the Microsoft authored FAQ forums only are being considered for awarding MCC, it'll be interesting to see how many of the low scoring MCC people that have the award get them based on Answers forums, which (correct me if I'm wrong) currently don't show in the points total.


    Steven Andrews | SharePoint Professional | http://www.twitter.com/backpackerd00d | https://baron72.wordpress.com/

    Friday, February 24, 2012 12:24 PM
  • see their facebook site, where they announce (eg) partnership with sevenforum.com (http://www.facebook.com/MCC.Award , 30th January). that was what i was refering to with community activity outside of recognition points.
    Friday, February 24, 2012 12:38 PM
    Answerer
  • To respond to Jeff's comments,  I'm well aware that the community is more than the forums, but as my point total indicates I gain most personal satisfaction from contributing to the forums.  I do also know the difference between achievements and points to contrubutory actions, as per the FAQ published by Brent and Sean a few months back.

    In responding to Hasham; first of all, thankyou for your response.

    The main question is over the transparency of the award criteria.  I appreciate that quality is indeed subjective and I would have thought that if an awardee retained the same level and quality of posts, they may be in with a shot at it being renewed.

    And just for clarity, I'm not throwing my toys out of the pram not am I suggesting that my contributions will cease.  As a previous awardee, if I can contribute to the success of the programme, I'd very much like to do so, whether I receive it again or otherwise.


    Steven Andrews | SharePoint Professional | http://www.twitter.com/backpackerd00d | https://baron72.wordpress.com/

    Regarding your note, "The main question is over the transparency of the award criteria.  I appreciate that quality is indeed subjective and I would have thought that if an awardee retained the same level and quality of posts, they may be in with a shot at it being renewed", please contact the MCC program and ask them and then let us know what they say: MCCGA@Microsoft.com

    Unfortunately, the only connection that Forums have to the MCC program is the MCC title when it appears and disappears (which we don't control). =^)

    So the Forums and MCC program seem to be connected much more than they actually are. (Forums are even less connected with the MVP program, since the Forum/Community activity is only one of the pieces they look at, where as it's the primary tool that the MCC program uses.)

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Experience Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)


    Monday, February 20, 2012 7:25 PM
    Owner

All replies

  • Apparently there is no automatic renewal process. Many people who got this early in the cycle already lost it.

    For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert. - Becker's Law


    My blog

    Friday, February 17, 2012 7:53 PM
    Moderator
  • I have seen no information on how they decide to award mcc. This Wiki article is only a general guideline and is not official:

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/4827.how-to-become-an-mvp-or-mcc.aspx

    I believe the award is for a year. Perhaps the criteria is changing, although I've heard and seen nothing. I can't help but notice from your profile that you have a relatively high percentage of answers compared to replies. Also, you seem to be about 87 answers shy of the Answerer IV gold achievement.

    This Wiki is also relevant:

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/4913.differences-between-the-mvp-and-mcc-awards.aspx


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services


    Friday, February 17, 2012 11:40 PM
    Moderator
  • How have you determined that these people have contributed less than you?

    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCITP, MCDBA
    Blog: Mr. Wharty's Ramblings
    MC ID: Microsoft Transcript

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    Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:31 AM
  • I have seen no information on how they decide to award mcc. This Wiki article is only a general guideline and is not official:

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/4827.how-to-become-an-mvp-or-mcc.aspx

    I believe the award is for a year. Perhaps the criteria is changing, although I've heard and seen nothing. I can't help but notice from your profile that you have a relatively high percentage of answers compared to replies. Also, you seem to be about 87 answers shy of the Answerer IV gold achievement.

    This Wiki is also relevant:

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/4913.differences-between-the-mvp-and-mcc-awards.aspx


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services



    1170 replies with 413 answers. I wouldn't say that is a relatively high percentage of answers. It's pretty consistent with other good forum contributors.

    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCITP, MCDBA
    Blog: Mr. Wharty's Ramblings
    MC ID: Microsoft Transcript

    Please mark answered if I've answered your question and vote for it as helpful to help other user's find a solution quicker

    Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:38 AM
  • How have you determined that these people have contributed less than you?

    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCITP, MCDBA
    Blog: Mr. Wharty's Ramblings
    MC ID: Microsoft Transcript

    Please mark answered if I've answered your question and vote for it as helpful to help other user's find a solution quicker

    I´m pretty sure that I can find both those with lower response to answer ratio.  As for less, I´ve seen some MCC´s with not far over 1k points and a lower ratio.

    I´m willing to concede that people do more in the wider community than I do, blogs, papers and so on.  However, my understanding of the MCC award was that it was forum and MS community specific.


    Steven Andrews | SharePoint Professional | http://www.twitter.com/backpackerd00d | https://baron72.wordpress.com/

    Saturday, February 18, 2012 12:08 PM
  • This is the problem with linking MCC to recognition points. The points system isn't really a good indication of forum involvement.  Why?  Because there are many ways to earn points, some of which don’t relate to forums at all (wiki and commenting on MSDN/TechNet blogs) and some of which are easily abused (getting friends to vote on posts).  There are also some forums which are easier than others therefore easier to earn points.

    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCITP, MCDBA
    Blog: Mr. Wharty's Ramblings
    MC ID: Microsoft Transcript

    Please mark answered if I've answered your question and vote for it as helpful to help other user's find a solution quicker

    Saturday, February 18, 2012 12:21 PM
  • It was pointed out in another thread that points are no longer given for wiki content http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/Profile/thread/5b1f05c5-282a-428c-b0ed-e76809fe8e4e

    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCITP, MCDBA
    Blog: Mr. Wharty's Ramblings
    MC ID: Microsoft Transcript

    Please mark answered if I've answered your question and vote for it as helpful to help other user's find a solution quicker

    Sunday, February 19, 2012 1:32 AM
  • It was pointed out in another thread that points are no longer given for wiki content http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/Profile/thread/5b1f05c5-282a-428c-b0ed-e76809fe8e4e

    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCITP, MCDBA
    Blog: Mr. Wharty's Ramblings
    MC ID: Microsoft Transcript

    Please mark answered if I've answered your question and vote for it as helpful to help other user's find a solution quicker

    I visited that thread as well. Comments never have resulted in Recognition Points. However, they do give you marks toward Achievement medals.

    Wiki points have always (and still are) given when articles achieve view milestones. The author earns more points, and the editors also earn points.

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Experience Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    • Proposed as answer by Mr. Wharty Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:32 AM
    Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:05 AM
    Owner
  • This is the problem with linking MCC to recognition points. The points system isn't really a good indication of forum involvement.  Why?  Because there are many ways to earn points, some of which don’t relate to forums at all (wiki and commenting on MSDN/TechNet blogs) and some of which are easily abused (getting friends to vote on posts).  There are also some forums which are easier than others therefore easier to earn points.

    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCITP, MCDBA
    Blog: Mr. Wharty's Ramblings
    MC ID: Microsoft Transcript

    Please mark answered if I've answered your question and vote for it as helpful to help other user's find a solution quicker

    Commenting on blogs doesn't earn points (only marks toward Achievement medals). Yes, MCC awards are also given for Gallery and Wiki points (as well as blogging off of TechNet/MSDN and non-TechNet/MSDN forums), but MSDN/TechNet Forums are probably the most common way.

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Experience Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:08 AM
    Owner
  • Hi guys,

    I've noticed that my Community Contributor has been removed, which I'm going to assume means I didn't get renewed.

    Is there any transparency in that process?  My activity in the forums hasn't dropped in the slightest and I do take care to respond to those questions that I can answer.  I've seen people with less activity than me get MCC, so I'm slightly bemused.

    Cheers

    Steven


    Steven Andrews | SharePoint Professional | http://www.twitter.com/backpackerd00d | https://baron72.wordpress.com/

    The MCC awards are removed after a year. There is likely another assessment after that. The MCC program is independent of MSDN/TechNet, and so this isn't related to the Profile topic (other than the answer that the MCC status is supposed to be removed after a year).

    I recommend you ask the renewal question to the program administrators: MCCGA@Microsoft.com

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Experience Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:11 AM
    Owner
  • Apparently there is no automatic renewal process. Many people who got this early in the cycle already lost it.

    For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert. - Becker's Law


    My blog

    Agreed. That question must be asked to the MCC program administrators: MCCGA@Microsoft.com

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Experience Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:13 AM
    Owner
  • I have seen no information on how they decide to award mcc. This Wiki article is only a general guideline and is not official:

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/4827.how-to-become-an-mvp-or-mcc.aspx

    I believe the award is for a year. Perhaps the criteria is changing, although I've heard and seen nothing. I can't help but notice from your profile that you have a relatively high percentage of answers compared to replies. Also, you seem to be about 87 answers shy of the Answerer IV gold achievement.

    This Wiki is also relevant:

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/4913.differences-between-the-mvp-and-mcc-awards.aspx


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services


    I haven't seen a reason to believe that the program is changing. However, as Naomi mentioned, we now know that they have no automatic renewal process. That's all this tells us. But I do recommend that Steven asks them so that we know.

    Thanks Richard!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Experience Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:15 AM
    Owner
  • HI Steven !

    MCC Awards have been awarded for one year period starting from the day where you have opted for the Award. Awards have been given on the basis of quality of content which anyone has contributed, i know quality is a question mark to everyone. But quality of content is decided by MCC Commitee.

    You might also need to have a look at below threads;

    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/Profile/thread/40bab458-e007-421e-80ae-90652d4f8a4f/#c5527664-1526-4728-9eaf-44f985dc5cb6

    https://www.microsoftcommunitycontributor.com/faq.aspx

    This has been answered by MCC Award Panel already.

    Please let me know if this doesn’t work for you. Hope I have answered you correctly.

    Thanks, Hasham

    • Proposed as answer by Mr. Wharty Monday, February 20, 2012 10:51 PM
    • Unproposed as answer by Steven Andrews Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:43 AM
    Monday, February 20, 2012 5:36 AM
    Moderator
  • To respond to Jeff's comments,  I'm well aware that the community is more than the forums, but as my point total indicates I gain most personal satisfaction from contributing to the forums.  I do also know the difference between achievements and points to contrubutory actions, as per the FAQ published by Brent and Sean a few months back.

    In responding to Hasham; first of all, thankyou for your response.

    The main question is over the transparency of the award criteria.  I appreciate that quality is indeed subjective and I would have thought that if an awardee retained the same level and quality of posts, they may be in with a shot at it being renewed.

    And just for clarity, I'm not throwing my toys out of the pram not am I suggesting that my contributions will cease.  As a previous awardee, if I can contribute to the success of the programme, I'd very much like to do so, whether I receive it again or otherwise.


    Steven Andrews | SharePoint Professional | http://www.twitter.com/backpackerd00d | https://baron72.wordpress.com/

    Monday, February 20, 2012 12:29 PM
  • I kind of feel the same way.

    I was tickled over the recognition, and now it went away as fast as it came. But, i don't care too much, the major benefit seemed to be the Safari access to MS books, and i could neither get Safari to run (they're not to up front about which scripts need to be allowed in NoScript) and i don't see the benefits of the MS books anyway.

    Recognition is nice. But as an Answerer, i guess i'm happy enough. :P
    Monday, February 20, 2012 2:00 PM
  • To respond to Jeff's comments,  I'm well aware that the community is more than the forums, but as my point total indicates I gain most personal satisfaction from contributing to the forums.  I do also know the difference between achievements and points to contrubutory actions, as per the FAQ published by Brent and Sean a few months back.

    In responding to Hasham; first of all, thankyou for your response.

    The main question is over the transparency of the award criteria.  I appreciate that quality is indeed subjective and I would have thought that if an awardee retained the same level and quality of posts, they may be in with a shot at it being renewed.

    And just for clarity, I'm not throwing my toys out of the pram not am I suggesting that my contributions will cease.  As a previous awardee, if I can contribute to the success of the programme, I'd very much like to do so, whether I receive it again or otherwise.


    Steven Andrews | SharePoint Professional | http://www.twitter.com/backpackerd00d | https://baron72.wordpress.com/

    Regarding your note, "The main question is over the transparency of the award criteria.  I appreciate that quality is indeed subjective and I would have thought that if an awardee retained the same level and quality of posts, they may be in with a shot at it being renewed", please contact the MCC program and ask them and then let us know what they say: MCCGA@Microsoft.com

    Unfortunately, the only connection that Forums have to the MCC program is the MCC title when it appears and disappears (which we don't control). =^)

    So the Forums and MCC program seem to be connected much more than they actually are. (Forums are even less connected with the MVP program, since the Forum/Community activity is only one of the pieces they look at, where as it's the primary tool that the MCC program uses.)

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Experience Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)


    Monday, February 20, 2012 7:25 PM
    Owner
  • I kind of feel the same way.

    I was tickled over the recognition, and now it went away as fast as it came. But, i don't care too much, the major benefit seemed to be the Safari access to MS books, and i could neither get Safari to run (they're not to up front about which scripts need to be allowed in NoScript) and i don't see the benefits of the MS books anyway.

    Recognition is nice. But as an Answerer, i guess i'm happy enough. :P

    Great attitude to have, Brian! Very inspirational. Thank you.

    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Experience Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    Monday, February 20, 2012 7:28 PM
    Owner
  • I saw someone the other day who had less than 500 recognition points and they were a MCC.  I didn’t check the Answers forums to see if they were contributing there as well.

    When you see answers and helpful posts, please click Vote As Helpful, Propose As Answer, and/or Mark As Answer

    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCSD, MCITP, MCDBA
    Blog: Mr. Wharty's Ramblings
    Twitter: @Mr_Wharty
    MC ID: Microsoft Transcript

    Friday, February 24, 2012 2:23 AM
  • keep in mind that mcc doesnt only consider activity in the sites covered by the ms recognition point system. they added a few outside sites since they began with  the program, so the points don't have to be a indication of someones activity towards the award
    Friday, February 24, 2012 9:24 AM
    Answerer
  • I know. That's why I said what I did above i.e. recognition points do not accurately reflect a MCC's involvement in the online community.

    When you see answers and helpful posts, please click Vote As Helpful, Propose As Answer, and/or Mark As Answer

    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCSD, MCITP, MCDBA
    Blog: Mr. Wharty's Ramblings
    Twitter: @Mr_Wharty
    MC ID: Microsoft Transcript

    Friday, February 24, 2012 9:27 AM
  • keep in mind that mcc doesnt only consider activity in the sites covered by the ms recognition point system. they added a few outside sites since they began with  the program, so the points don't have to be a indication of someones activity towards the award

    A direct quote from the MCC FAQ is as follows: -

    Q1. What is the Microsoft<sup>®</sup> Community Contributor Award?

    A1. It is an award offered by Microsoft which is designed to recognize notable contributions to Microsoft online community forums such as TechNet, MSDN<sup>®</sup>, and Answers.

    The points total are indicative of quality of response (marked responses and useful posts), with achivements being granted to quantative interaction, so I'd say they're acurate enough.  If according to the Microsoft authored FAQ forums only are being considered for awarding MCC, it'll be interesting to see how many of the low scoring MCC people that have the award get them based on Answers forums, which (correct me if I'm wrong) currently don't show in the points total.


    Steven Andrews | SharePoint Professional | http://www.twitter.com/backpackerd00d | https://baron72.wordpress.com/

    Friday, February 24, 2012 12:24 PM
  • see their facebook site, where they announce (eg) partnership with sevenforum.com (http://www.facebook.com/MCC.Award , 30th January). that was what i was refering to with community activity outside of recognition points.
    Friday, February 24, 2012 12:38 PM
    Answerer
  • A direct quote from the MCC FAQ is as follows: -

    Q1. What is the Microsoft<sup>®</sup> Community Contributor Award?

    A1. It is an award offered by Microsoft which is designed to recognize notable contributions to Microsoft online community forums such as TechNet, MSDN<sup>®</sup>, and Answers.

    The points total are indicative of quality of response (marked responses and useful posts), with achivements being granted to quantative interaction, so I'd say they're acurate enough.  If according to the Microsoft authored FAQ forums only are being considered for awarding MCC, it'll be interesting to see how many of the low scoring MCC people that have the award get them based on Answers forums, which (correct me if I'm wrong) currently don't show in the points total.


    Steven Andrews | SharePoint Professional | http://www.twitter.com/backpackerd00d | https://baron72.wordpress.com/

    You're right that Answers (and SevenForum) don't show up in the MSDN/TechNet Recognition Points.

    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Experience Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    Friday, February 24, 2012 11:28 PM
    Owner
  •  Why?  Because there are many ways to earn points, some of which don’t relate to forums at all (wiki and commenting on MSDN/TechNet blogs) and some of which are easily abused (getting friends to vote on posts).  There are also some forums which are easier than others therefore easier to earn points.

    There should be some way there for Microsoft to identify those easily abused points and i am sure they would be monitoring and acting on these?

    Naushad Alam

    Friday, March 9, 2012 11:33 PM
  • There should be some way there for Microsoft to identify those easily abused points and i am sure they would be monitoring and acting on these?

    Naushad Alam


    People who vote for themselves and propose/mark their own answers (using multiple accounts) are reported and then banned. It's a system that works pretty well. It's hard to pretend you're multiple people. The activity feed tracks everything and makes it obvious.

    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Experience Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)


    Friday, March 9, 2012 11:46 PM
    Owner
  • +1 Ed

    Thanks a lot for your notes!

    Naushad Alam


    • Edited by Naushad.Alam Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:33 AM added more noted
    Saturday, March 10, 2012 8:42 AM