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  • Will there be a way to disable Launchpad loading when you log into Windows?  At the very least give a option to minimize on startup.
    Friday, April 30, 2010 12:54 AM

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  • There are a few things the Launchpad gets us, and why we went with it over the “sync-password” method in WHS v1
     
    (1) it allows a user to log into the home server with a different username and password than they do to their client.  Similar to how your router works, or even your bank.  It’s just a service you authenticate to
     
    (2) it allows a user to have no password on their client PC, yet still authenticate to the home server if they so choose.  We got a LOT of feedback that people didn’t like being forced to have a password on their client PC, when they were familiar to the “boot and get to desktop” method
     
    (3) it allows users to flip between access control on the server, by signing out and signing back into the launchpad as someone else.
     
    (4) it allows us to have links to important places on the home server.  Outside of the Windows7 Libraries, most folks aren’t used to going to a \\server\share to get to their data, so we wanted to provide a link to these that was nicer than a link on the desktop.  This is the same for the remote access website.  the URL changes from https://server/remote to https://fqdn/remote, and the button changes with that.  Coming in the next release is the launchpad “offline mode” so you can actually access these things while away from the home server
     
    (5) it allows add-ins to provide a more structured offering to the end user, as it’s extensible and you can add more things
     
    (6) it allows end users access to their backups and file/folder recovery
     
    (7) it gives the user easy access to alerts, and a more friendly UI to viewing them (Sometimes I often get 4 balloon tips with WHS v1, and I have to log into the console to view them, with the LP you can view them all there without having to load up the console
     
    (8) NO MORE OUT OF SYNC PASSWORD ERROR! (yeah!) this one drove me NUTS!! 
     
    Hope that helps clear some of the confusion,
       Sean
     
    This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights.
     
    "Ken Warren" wrote in message news:eadadd5b-08ff-46cc-93c9-bc9991c88b07...

    The launchpad supports the new extensibility module: it will be possible for an add-in writer to hook into it.

    And I don't mean autologin for the computer, just for the launchpad. If you're going to ask someone to "click a button" every time they boot their computer, it's very annoying. Log me in and minimize automatically.


    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Friday, April 30, 2010 5:32 PM
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  • Ken, I think we’re working on having it sign in once and then continue to stay signed in.  We are working on our auto-logon scenarios, you’re more than happy to bug it if you like.
     
    As I mentioned on another thread, the Certificate Authority is installed (causing problems with timezones), one of the things it provides is a certificate to each of the client computers.  That Certificate is used to authenticate the machine to the server for backups, if the user is not logged in.  So yes, no need to be logged in for backups to take place.
     
    Sean
     
    This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights.
     
    "Ken Warren" wrote in message news:c5ad2dd0-e31b-4aad-af78-71e168392de0...
    Just like V1, which didn't care if the systray icon was loaded or not, Vail doesn't care if you log into the launchpad or not for backups.
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Friday, April 30, 2010 9:40 PM
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  • I would expect it's another item on the "didn't make it into this build" list. It's run from the standard Run registry key. In addition to disabling it, I would like it if it had an option to automatically log you in. :)
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Friday, April 30, 2010 3:42 AM
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  • I agree its an unnecessary addition in V2 - unless the intension is to put more options into the lanchpad in a later release

    but what i do not understand is why these options cannot be just added to the options available on the sys tray app where they were grouped in V1 which worked fine

    Also if we have to have this addition could we not get told every time we close the launch pad that its still loaded which is annoying - if i close it i do not want it  so do not keep it loaded :)

    i can always load it when i want it

    as ken says autologin would be good as well if we need it

    Maybe somebody from the MSFT can let us know what the plan is please


    2 home servers plus vail test server 10tb storage combined
    Friday, April 30, 2010 7:48 AM
  • The launchpad supports the new extensibility module: it will be possible for an add-in writer to hook into it.

    And I don't mean autologin for the computer, just for the launchpad. If you're going to ask someone to "click a button" every time they boot their computer, it's very annoying. Log me in and minimize automatically.


    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Friday, April 30, 2010 11:32 AM
    Moderator
  • There are a few things the Launchpad gets us, and why we went with it over the “sync-password” method in WHS v1
     
    (1) it allows a user to log into the home server with a different username and password than they do to their client.  Similar to how your router works, or even your bank.  It’s just a service you authenticate to
     
    (2) it allows a user to have no password on their client PC, yet still authenticate to the home server if they so choose.  We got a LOT of feedback that people didn’t like being forced to have a password on their client PC, when they were familiar to the “boot and get to desktop” method
     
    (3) it allows users to flip between access control on the server, by signing out and signing back into the launchpad as someone else.
     
    (4) it allows us to have links to important places on the home server.  Outside of the Windows7 Libraries, most folks aren’t used to going to a \\server\share to get to their data, so we wanted to provide a link to these that was nicer than a link on the desktop.  This is the same for the remote access website.  the URL changes from https://server/remote to https://fqdn/remote, and the button changes with that.  Coming in the next release is the launchpad “offline mode” so you can actually access these things while away from the home server
     
    (5) it allows add-ins to provide a more structured offering to the end user, as it’s extensible and you can add more things
     
    (6) it allows end users access to their backups and file/folder recovery
     
    (7) it gives the user easy access to alerts, and a more friendly UI to viewing them (Sometimes I often get 4 balloon tips with WHS v1, and I have to log into the console to view them, with the LP you can view them all there without having to load up the console
     
    (8) NO MORE OUT OF SYNC PASSWORD ERROR! (yeah!) this one drove me NUTS!! 
     
    Hope that helps clear some of the confusion,
       Sean
     
    This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights.
     
    "Ken Warren" wrote in message news:eadadd5b-08ff-46cc-93c9-bc9991c88b07...

    The launchpad supports the new extensibility module: it will be possible for an add-in writer to hook into it.

    And I don't mean autologin for the computer, just for the launchpad. If you're going to ask someone to "click a button" every time they boot their computer, it's very annoying. Log me in and minimize automatically.


    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Friday, April 30, 2010 5:32 PM
    Moderator
  • I love what the launchpad buys users, but I still want it to be able to log in and minimize automatically, Sean. :)
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Friday, April 30, 2010 8:24 PM
    Moderator
  • Sounds like an interesting addition. So is the backup service based on those credentials now? Will a backup not run if you haven't signed into the launchpad? I haven't installed Vail yet as I really don't have any testing hardware free, so I haven't had any first hand interaction with it yet.
    Friday, April 30, 2010 8:29 PM
  • Just like V1, which didn't care if the systray icon was loaded or not, Vail doesn't care if you log into the launchpad or not for backups.
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Friday, April 30, 2010 8:50 PM
    Moderator
  • Ken, I think we’re working on having it sign in once and then continue to stay signed in.  We are working on our auto-logon scenarios, you’re more than happy to bug it if you like.
     
    As I mentioned on another thread, the Certificate Authority is installed (causing problems with timezones), one of the things it provides is a certificate to each of the client computers.  That Certificate is used to authenticate the machine to the server for backups, if the user is not logged in.  So yes, no need to be logged in for backups to take place.
     
    Sean
     
    This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights.
     
    "Ken Warren" wrote in message news:c5ad2dd0-e31b-4aad-af78-71e168392de0...
    Just like V1, which didn't care if the systray icon was loaded or not, Vail doesn't care if you log into the launchpad or not for backups.
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Friday, April 30, 2010 9:40 PM
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  • Seems like the very best answer...

    However, in the mean time for those who really want it to go away. There are many tools that will allow an administrator to disable this application. No matter how it's started.

    Just do not forget you've disabled it! Right! LOLL.

     

    Bruce :-)

     

     


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    Friday, April 30, 2010 10:32 PM
  • Tim,

    Please look at Sean's response below as ot why Launchpad makes life much easier in Vail wihtout needing the username/password sync.

    As for the annoying popup - we're working on it to make it will go away in the later builds.

    As for ability to control the start of Launchpad when you login - we're looking at this for a later build as well.

    Keep the feedback coming.

    Thanks.


    Windows Home Server Team
    Saturday, May 1, 2010 6:23 AM
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  • Actually backup does not depend on the launchpad or user log on at all; it depends on the machine credentials. Launchpad is just a place to start the app. Technically you dont need the log in to start/stop backups from the client, and we are working towards a better usability in later releases.  
    Bodhi Deb - MSFT
    Saturday, May 1, 2010 7:42 AM
  • Simple answer is to auto login and minimize to tray
    Mal
    Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:27 PM
  • Simple answer is to auto login and minimize to tray
    Mal
    Is this possible yet? Also I second getting rid of the requirement to enter a password even if it is saved. If you have already logged into Windows, why log in again just because the information you require is save din a different location?
    Thursday, May 20, 2010 2:32 PM
  • Microsoft hasn't released a new build, so no, it's not possible yet.

    The password is only required if/when you switch from one Vail user to another on the same computer. I don't think there's any way for Microsoft to get rid of it entirely for the dashboard, but at least this way you don't have all the irritation of dealing with credentials that look the same on client and server, but differ behind the scenes. Everything is "out in the open" now.


    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:21 PM
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  • ....ummm.... I am the only user on each client computer (different user name
    on each), yet on each machine I have to log into launchpad using the
    password (same password for all of them and for the entire homegroup,
    network, etc, by the way). I also do not see the need for this requirement.
    In v1, while there is no launchpad per se, there is the WHS icon in the
    notification tray with right click options (which to me amounts to the same
    sort of thing as the options offered by the launchpad. So.... why the
    requirement for password and log in? Why is i not simply started with
    computer start-up?
     
    Even if there was other users on each client machine, would we not want ALL
    of them to benefit by the options offered by the launchpad (therefore not
    requiring login & password) – especially if it later incorporates complete
    network health notifications. I am talking solely of the Launchpad password
    and log in requirement, not the Dashboard requirement (that surely should
    always require password and log in.)
     
    Art (artfudd) Folden
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    "Ken Warren" wrote in message news:95ae52af-59fc-41f0-9a6e-66caa021b479...
     
     
     
    Microsoft hasn't released a new build, so no, it's not possible yet.
     
     
    The password is only required if/when you switch from one Vail user to
    another on the same computer. I don't think there's any way for Microsoft to
    get rid of it entirely for the dashboard, but at least this way you don't
    have all the irritation of dealing with credentials that look the same on
    client and server, but differ behind the scenes. Everything is "out in the
    open" now.
     
     
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
     
     
    Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:54 PM
  • Microsoft has said elsewhere in these forums that there are some enhancements to the launchpad coming in future milestones, Art. Look around. :)
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:55 PM
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  • Why doesn't someone just answer the question instead of offering 1000 reasons why it is the wrong question to ask in the first place?  Who knows the reason that they asked.  They may have good and valid reasons.  BTW, I also found it obnoxious and had it disabled within the first 2 minutes.  What is lost if one makes it manual start instead of always on the desktop at startup.

    1. Click on the Start Circle
    2. type msconfig in the search box
    3. The "System Configuration" box opens
    4. Select the Startup tab
    5. uncheck %programfiles%\Windows Server\Bin\Launchpad.exe -autostart
    6. when you want to use Launchpad, use the shortcut on the desktop

     

     

    Saturday, May 22, 2010 4:45 PM
  • Why doesn't someone just answer the question...

    Because the launchpad is going to offer things beyond just the additional layer of security, although fixing issues where user name and login name don't match (which are very difficult for non-technical folks to understand and sort) is IMO an excellent reason to have it in the first place. The launchpad is where any client side extensibility will plug in, for one thing. So you will eventually need the launchpad to take full advantage of Vail. Turning it off entirely is trivially simple (and answered elsewhere in this forum) but will break functionality.

    The fact that it's obnoxious today is a result of Vail not being feature complete, not a result of poor design or incorrect understanding of users' needs. Effectively, it's a bug, and we should report bugs, not find workarounds for them that will be come entrenched and beloved. That way lies Windows Millenium Edition...


    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Saturday, May 22, 2010 5:50 PM
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  • Ken put it very nicely. Please look out for an elaborate blogpost on Launchpad - the reason for its existence, the extensibility options, and the enhancements coming later this week at : http://blogs.technet.com/homeserver/ 

    Thanks, and keep the feedback coming.


    Windows Home Server Team
    Sunday, May 23, 2010 5:05 PM
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  • Ken put it very nicely. Please look out for an elaborate blogpost on Launchpad - the reason for its existence, the extensibility options, and the enhancements coming later this week at : http://blogs.technet.com/homeserver/ 

    Thanks, and keep the feedback coming.


    Windows Home Server Team

    Yes, but as it is it is just a relatively big box that says "connect me" it isn't auto connecting on matching user/password.  The Shared Folders still auto connect as WHS1 did but Launchpad doesn't.  Why hit the user in the face with a box instead of the more user friendly shortcut on the dsktop?
    Sunday, May 23, 2010 6:05 PM
  • Tom, please look up in this thread to Sean Daniel's answer (or Dileep's reply just below this one), which really answers your question. It doesn't auto-connect today, but that's functionality missing from this build rather than the intended design.
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Sunday, May 23, 2010 7:01 PM
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