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  • Question

  • hi all

    i am currently into software development in .NET for approx 7 months, and planning to shift to server domain as i am more interested in it.

    the reason for post is there are so many certifications and have no idea from where to start

    can any please shed some light

    Monday, December 19, 2011 8:44 AM

Answers

  • Hi,

    I am not sure, but at the moment it sounds like you try to start from the wrong side.

    - Normaly you first know what you want to do.

    - Then you collect some experience

    - When you got some experience, you start certification

    It is not recommend to get a certification without knowing a subject at all. So if you have no experience at all with the new area: I would ask myself why you want to work in that area. In germany we have a saying that "the gras on the other side of a fence is always greener". So you might have a wrong picture of the area ....

    I would recommend to find out more about the area you want to work in. In case you have some spare hardware to play with, you could start downloading trial versions Microsoft offer. So you simply start building up your own WIndows Server with your own domain and add some clients. Then you can decide to install other services. Get some more experience with it. Read on technet, what you want to know. Maybe you buy some books to read. I like the self-paced training kits. But please be aware: You need practice! So play around. It is not enough to set up a domain once and heya - it seems to work. You should play around a lot. Setup different things. Build multiple servers with a forest of domains. Check out different szenarious! There is so much!

    After playing around a little, you might find out, that you are interested in special things. Maybe it is the core windows server (with all parts included e.g. Network Settings or AD!) or you find Exchange or Sharepoint of interest....

    Then you can concentrate on one area. Check the skills measured on the exam page. And then read on technet all about the points. Play around! Really find out, how it works. You should know exactly what each setting mean. And what happens if you select this or that!

    And of course: it is not an easy way. But that way you learn it. (I think it is the complete wrong way to try to get the certifications first. It might be possible to get the certification for a lot of exams through braindumps, but I don't think that you will win anything! You get yourself in a bad position. Just imagine the situations:
    a) You got an interview to an interesting job. (Yes, the certification will really help you to get the interview!) But then people will ask you questions. And sorry - there are no braindumps for these questions. It is more or less guaranteed, that you will completly fail. And people will laugh about you .... (And the certifications will be worth much less afterwards because these people think: all idiots will get the exams ...)
    b) Imagine, the people doing the interview were unable to fidn out that you have no knowledge. For your job you need the knowledge! So you will fail. And colleague will laugh about you - the person with certifications who knows nothing ... a bad situation for you in my eyes ....

    So how is it working?
    Normaly you always start as a junior ... the company will not pay you much but they spend time on teaching you. You get experience! That is the correct start. With the time you get more and more experience, maybe you get some certifications. And heya: One day you are a senior who earns the money you want to get. I fear that there is no "shortcut" or something like that.

    With kind regards,

    Konrad

    Monday, December 19, 2011 10:00 AM
    Answerer
  • Hi Tushar,

    I am not sure, which blog you mean (I never wrote a blog about a certification so far, I only write about some technical issues I found interesting). But maybe you meant my answeres in the forum in here:

    I do not know a website where you can directly check your knowledge. But Microsoft provides a webpage for each exam:
    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-511&locale=en-us (70-511 one).

    Just replace the exam number in the URL and you should get a page with details to your exam. And on the page is a tab called "Skills Measured". There you find all topics you should know deeply!
    So you can look up the different topics. I am a software developer so msdn library is my source to look something up. Technicans might look at technet to find information about server, clients and other products.

    And my suggestion is to spend a lot of time on doing stuff. Then you could be prepared for the exam. But you should really spend time on it. You should understand, how everything fits together. Look for some specific forums to ask stuff. Why is the AD like this? How to extend the AD Schema, ....

    So play around with the technology! That is my hint!

    But of course: There are other materials that are quite good. Microsoft also links them. So maybe you want to get a practice test from measureup / selftestsoftware? Or get a book if some boks are listed....

    With kind regards,

    Konrad

    Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:53 AM
    Answerer

All replies

  • Hi,

    "Server Domain" is alot. Can you specify in detail, what you are interested in?

    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/certification/cert-windowsserver.aspx shows the certification available for windows server. But there are a lot more server products you might be interested in.

    From my experience, it is also good to know the client side. The server products does not work standalone. You also have to know how to configure the client side so everything works perfect. And the client side needs rollouts and upgrades ...

    And that was just the Microsoft part (which is on topic here) but there are also other non Microsoft parts, e.g.:
    a) Networking - Cisco is a major player who offers certifications
    b) Virtualisation - Microsoft has Hyper-V which is nice already but vmware is one big player, too.
    c) Server based computing - Microsoft has some core technology, but Citrix is one big player who offers nice products on top.

    Please be aware, that questions regarding cetrifications from 3rd companies might be off topic in here! These vendors should have their own support areas with forums where such questions are better placed!

    With kind regards,

    Konrad

    Monday, December 19, 2011 9:05 AM
    Answerer
  • this is something that is troubling me a lot 

    i don't have an idea where majority of support comes from in server domain

    so i a confused state of mind from where to get my certifications

     

    Monday, December 19, 2011 9:17 AM
  • Hi,

    I am not sure, but at the moment it sounds like you try to start from the wrong side.

    - Normaly you first know what you want to do.

    - Then you collect some experience

    - When you got some experience, you start certification

    It is not recommend to get a certification without knowing a subject at all. So if you have no experience at all with the new area: I would ask myself why you want to work in that area. In germany we have a saying that "the gras on the other side of a fence is always greener". So you might have a wrong picture of the area ....

    I would recommend to find out more about the area you want to work in. In case you have some spare hardware to play with, you could start downloading trial versions Microsoft offer. So you simply start building up your own WIndows Server with your own domain and add some clients. Then you can decide to install other services. Get some more experience with it. Read on technet, what you want to know. Maybe you buy some books to read. I like the self-paced training kits. But please be aware: You need practice! So play around. It is not enough to set up a domain once and heya - it seems to work. You should play around a lot. Setup different things. Build multiple servers with a forest of domains. Check out different szenarious! There is so much!

    After playing around a little, you might find out, that you are interested in special things. Maybe it is the core windows server (with all parts included e.g. Network Settings or AD!) or you find Exchange or Sharepoint of interest....

    Then you can concentrate on one area. Check the skills measured on the exam page. And then read on technet all about the points. Play around! Really find out, how it works. You should know exactly what each setting mean. And what happens if you select this or that!

    And of course: it is not an easy way. But that way you learn it. (I think it is the complete wrong way to try to get the certifications first. It might be possible to get the certification for a lot of exams through braindumps, but I don't think that you will win anything! You get yourself in a bad position. Just imagine the situations:
    a) You got an interview to an interesting job. (Yes, the certification will really help you to get the interview!) But then people will ask you questions. And sorry - there are no braindumps for these questions. It is more or less guaranteed, that you will completly fail. And people will laugh about you .... (And the certifications will be worth much less afterwards because these people think: all idiots will get the exams ...)
    b) Imagine, the people doing the interview were unable to fidn out that you have no knowledge. For your job you need the knowledge! So you will fail. And colleague will laugh about you - the person with certifications who knows nothing ... a bad situation for you in my eyes ....

    So how is it working?
    Normaly you always start as a junior ... the company will not pay you much but they spend time on teaching you. You get experience! That is the correct start. With the time you get more and more experience, maybe you get some certifications. And heya: One day you are a senior who earns the money you want to get. I fear that there is no "shortcut" or something like that.

    With kind regards,

    Konrad

    Monday, December 19, 2011 10:00 AM
    Answerer
  • thanks a lot for the lovely post and i mean it

    i am working for a corporate firm as developer which i don't enjoy at all sitting at the same constant place typing thousands lines of code.

    i used to in fact enjoy all the work that takes place in the data center, like working with AD, proxy sever, firewalls, trouble shooting various devices around etc.

    i have a last question on my mind....

    if i have to look out for a job in this particular field then what should i be looking for..as a fresher(entry level)

    regards,

    mark

    Monday, December 19, 2011 10:46 AM
  • Hi,

    that is hard to say. Maybe you should look for jobs as a system administrator for windows environments. Something like that. But sometimes it is called "System Engineer" or so. In our company all jobs are more or less titled Software Engineer and System Engineer if I remember correctly (except administration staff of course).

    With kind regards,

    Konrad 

    Monday, December 19, 2011 3:16 PM
    Answerer
  • Dear Konrad sir,

    U wrote in blog , their is some website available for checking your (Our) knowledge will you plz specify the website we we can check.

    or please drop link here.

     

     

    Thanks 

    Tuesday, December 20, 2011 7:08 AM
  • Hi Tushar,

    I am not sure, which blog you mean (I never wrote a blog about a certification so far, I only write about some technical issues I found interesting). But maybe you meant my answeres in the forum in here:

    I do not know a website where you can directly check your knowledge. But Microsoft provides a webpage for each exam:
    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-511&locale=en-us (70-511 one).

    Just replace the exam number in the URL and you should get a page with details to your exam. And on the page is a tab called "Skills Measured". There you find all topics you should know deeply!
    So you can look up the different topics. I am a software developer so msdn library is my source to look something up. Technicans might look at technet to find information about server, clients and other products.

    And my suggestion is to spend a lot of time on doing stuff. Then you could be prepared for the exam. But you should really spend time on it. You should understand, how everything fits together. Look for some specific forums to ask stuff. Why is the AD like this? How to extend the AD Schema, ....

    So play around with the technology! That is my hint!

    But of course: There are other materials that are quite good. Microsoft also links them. So maybe you want to get a practice test from measureup / selftestsoftware? Or get a book if some boks are listed....

    With kind regards,

    Konrad

    Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:53 AM
    Answerer