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Partial Solution to the Bold font problem RRS feed

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  • In a couple of threads I have said that since the recent font change it is impossible to distinguish between a bold and a non-bold (and non-italic) thread when using a bright 15.6 inch portable screen and IE8 (in Win7 actually).

    I've found a solution which MS will like a lot (or not).

    Instead of using IE8, use Safari for Windows. By itself that doesn't help, but Zoom In *twice* and you see a clear difference and can once again see which posts are Bold and which not.


    Of course you don't see many threads on a page but by comparison that doesn't really matter - at least forum maintenance is possible (and my 15.6 machine is where I am running the VM which contains the server product I am supporting, so using another machine for forum support isn't really a great solution).



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    Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:20 PM

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  • Instead of using IE8, use Safari for Windows. By itself that doesn't help, but Zoom In *twice* and you see a clear difference and can once again see which posts are Bold and which not.


    If you're looking for a workaround with IE8 you could clone your page with Ctrl-k then switch off CSS  (View, No Style  Alt-V,y).   Instead of just non-bold in there you will see a more conventional coloring solution for representing "read" links.  This in turn would suggest that you could also create your own custom CSS override and do whatever you want with "unread" links instead of just bolding them more distinctly.


    HTH

    Robert
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    Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:56 PM
  • Thanks for the suggestion but it sounds very messy and time consuming.

    I have about 10 forums. Each have their own page and some by the time I get to look at them have several pages where there could be a new unread-by-me post.

    My reading of your suggestion is that I would need to clone with Ctrl-K every single page which could have a new post.


    The whole point of the forum software using Bold markings is to enable us to spot unread posts quickly. I doubt if your method would be quick and in fact if this were the only alternative and I was forced to use IE for this, I would certainly go back to squinting at the posts to see if the timestamp indicated a post I couldn't have seen in my previous pass.
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    Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:04 AM
  • Hi Mike,

    In IE browsers you can over-ride the default font-families used on web pages with the following settings.

    Tools>Internet Options - General tab

    Accessibility button, check "Ignore font styles specified on web pages"

    Fonts button, Choose a Web Font of your choosing that bests suits your Monitor. (Comic Sans Serif is my favorite).

    The default font size may also come into play... you can disable the page styles rules from the Accesibility dialog also.

    Here is a link to a bookmarklet you can use to hide visited links - http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/935

    Regards.
    Rob^_^

    One last thing, if you are referring to the MSDN forums here, you can choose to filter the threads list and only display Unanswered, No Answers etc.

    (Note: the last time I tried this here it was a bit flakey.. I think some tickets have been raised at connect you can follow)
    Monday, March 15, 2010 12:15 AM
  • Yes, that works on this machine. Thanks.

    Of course it means that to avoid this font for non-forum sites, I have to use Safari for them :) !

    (You note that I am never satisfied. First I object to a solution being for a single page; now I object to a solution that covers all forums. What we really need is a solution that only applies to the forums. Oh wait, we had one that only applied to the forums *and worked* before the recent "improvement" ....)

    Mike

    P.S. I don't like using Filters (exceot for Abusive because there is no other way of seeing those threads in bulk) because then I miss other things I want as Moderator to check like posts that are proposed as answers [of course half of them were proposed by the guy who wrote them, but I can still zoom in and get rid of the proposal in those cases].

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    Monday, March 15, 2010 3:52 PM
  • Hi Mike,

    It is hard to please everyone. Perhaps as a developer you already know this....The social.microsoft forums are relatively new and is slowly being improved. I think in time and with the help of our feedback we will warm to it as it is improved, but I still prefer the NTTP NewsGroups and Windows Live Mail.... Unfortunately the NTTP Bridge is also suffering teething issues... we are not quite ready to bring everything together for the main time show.

    At least readibility has been improved for you with a small tweak of your laptop's IE Accessibility settings. Sweet and easy.

    Regards.
    Rob^_^

    Non forum sites... no.... choose "Ignore font styles specified on web pages" in IE Accessibility settings.

    Other browsers use different default font-families....Go in Safari - Edit>Preferences and check which font-family your Safari browser is using as the default. Use that font family as your IE Font preference..... The problem for you is that your monitor is poorly suited to render Times New Roman (or a variant of it) that is installed on your OS version. With your accessibility settings in IE matching those default settings from your Safari browser you should not see much difference browsing the web with Safari or IE.

    (I configure my other browsers to use the IE Defaults (Times New Roman 16pt) so that when I am testing all browsers look much the same as IE)
    Monday, March 15, 2010 9:57 PM
  • Here is a link to a bookmarklet you can use to hide visited links - http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/935

    <quote>
    javascript:document.createStyleSheet().addRule("a:visited","display:none");void(0);
    </quote>

    Wow!  Now that has possibilities.  What else can we do besides  "display:none"?   BTW I notice that to disable it we can just go into the Developer Tools and uncheck the new rule (F12, CSS tab, dropdown, etc.)   And how often do we have to keep applying it?  Every time we come back to this page?  I suppose we could use a Favorites bar button or perhaps even keyboard shortcut to reapply it?  Could we do something more permanent, say with  View, Style, MyForumsFix?   ; )


    Thanks, Rob.


    Robert
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    Tuesday, March 16, 2010 3:10 AM
  • > It is hard to please everyone. Perhaps as a developer you already know this....

    I hope I didn't sound ungrateful by putting the thrust of my reply on the fact that we used to have something that didn't need fixing.

    Your solution works extremely well and I can now on the 15.6 bright screen clearly see what is bold and what is not bold in the forum pages.

    I followed your font suggestion too and am getting used to it appearing in every site.  (It is a very clear font for forum reading too!).

    Thanks again.

    (this time with no side argument)

    Mike



     
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    Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:37 AM