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    Hi, I changed a OneNote file at home last night and when I came into the office in the morning the changes had not come through. I checked the news in Mesh and my changes of last night were listed. There is no synch now button etc. so I deleted the file on my office computer and the new one that came through was the right one with last night's amends.

    Isn't Mesh supposed to do that automatically? And if so, what could be the problem?

    Many thanks
    Monday, February 22, 2010 12:04 PM

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    Good news that you do NOT have to close ON for it to update. I opened ON at home, remoted on to my office, made some changes and switched to my home computer, clicked on the folder and the changes were there. It also works if you minimise and then restore. I don't think it works if the page is actually open and active, i.e. you won't see the changes appear in front of your eyes, so minimising or switching away is necessary. I suppose if you were to make changes on the not-changed or updated page prior to update you'd create a conflict.

    Like all magic you must close your eyes (or make the page vanish) for a moment and it happens!

    Perhaps you want to rename this thread Live Mesh and One Note to make it more relevant.
    Thursday, February 25, 2010 10:19 PM

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    It should happen automatically. Did you check the notifier for that folder to see if any conflicts were listed? I don't recommend using Live Mesh to sync a OneNote notebook because it can be changed fairly often on various PCs and you can end up with conflicts more often than not.
    If you are only using the same notebook between two PCs, consider sharing the notebook over your LAN between PCs and not using Live Mesh. OneNote will sync changes when the PCs are back on the same LAN together and powered up/signed in. If you have a NAS (network storage) or server at home, even better - locate the notebook on the shared storage location and attach OneNote to that notebook from all PCs. They will all sync back to the main location on connection to the LAN.
    -steve
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    Monday, February 22, 2010 2:25 PM
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    Thanks for your reply. Could it be connected to the fact that my office connection is open all the time and OneNote is always running in the background, or would it update nonetheless?
    Monday, February 22, 2010 6:11 PM
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    If OneNote is open and the file in use on the office PC, then Live Mesh can't overwrite the file. If OneNote is not open and the file is not in use on the office PC, but it was changed on the other PC, it should have updated on the Live Desktop and also on the office PC.
    -steve
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    Monday, February 22, 2010 8:22 PM
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    Aha, that explains it all. I'll have to remove the option in ON so that closing the program actually closes it all the way and doesn't just place it in the background.

    I got the idea for LiveMesh with OneNote from here:

    http://blog.opsan.com/archive/2009/02/15/886949.aspx

    Is LiveMesh smart enough to download just the updated bits or must it retrieve the entire file each time it synchs?
    Monday, February 22, 2010 11:16 PM
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    Live Mesh downloads the entire file.

    You *can* sync a OneNote notebook, though there are caveats as you've discovered.
    It isn't a excluded file type.

    -steve

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    Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:03 PM
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    By the way, let me know your experience after you change the OneNote option and we can mark the answer in this thread. :-)
    -steve
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    Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:04 PM
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    I definitely will but first I must figure out what's going on. I find that additions to OneNote are updated, whether a new page or simple edits. But if I delete pages or sections or move them about the changes don't always come through to the other devices despite that the change is in the 'news' list. What I then must do is delete the notebook and then double click the desktop shortcut to create a new one, which is a bother.

    On another blog someone says that he also shares the OneNote folder. I'm reluctant to do this as it means moving it out of my documents in xp, because xp won't allow share in those folders. I cannot understand why that should be necessary.

    BTW, can you also mesh the Favourites folder so that my devices share each other's ie8 bookmarks?
    Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:20 AM
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    Yes, you can Mesh your Favorites folder. You should also be able to sync your Documents folder or any sub-folder within your Documents. I'm not sure why the changes are not reflected - do you have any conflicts listed in the Notifier on the PCs where the changes were not reflected?


    From Help:

    Are there types of files or folders that I cannot share or synchronize?

    You cannot synchronize or share the following with Live Mesh:

    • Files containing obscene or copyrighted material. Copying or sharing unauthorized materials, including materials that you did not create or you do not have the rights necessary for use, is a violation of the Windows Live terms of use. See the Microsoft Copyright Notice and FAQ.
    • Files whose names begin with a tilde (~)
    • desktop.ini
    • thumbs.db
    • Hidden files
    • Windows Systems folders
    • Your Desktop directory folder (for example, C:\users\[myusername]\Desktop on Windows Vista or C:\Documents and Settings\[myusername]\Desktop on Windows XP)
    • Files and folders stored on removable media (such as an external hard drive, flash drive, or USB drive)
    • Files and folders stored on mapped network drives

    Live Mesh also blocks files that have the following file extensions:

    • .bak
    • .gfs
    • .laccdb
    • .lnk
    • .mbf
    • .mny
    • .mpc
    • .pst
    • .sav
    • .tmp
    • .wlx
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    Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:25 AM
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    Yes I do have 35 unresolved conflicts. I think they are quite difficult to find. You mention a Notifier, but the only way to find the conflicts is to log on to the live desktop and there you find unobtrusively a message on top of news about the conflicts. Could there not be a conflicts alert as and when they occur, or an option how they should resolve themselves, or at least a menu item when you click mesh to access directly the conflicts list.

    Anyhow, I assume the conflicts occured with my recent trial and errors so I will get my notebook just so, delete the live folders and upload the new one. I'll do the same when I get home so that all comps get the newly uploaded file and this should then be conflict free.

    I will report back if this too creates problems.

    I think that OneNote should be a priority program for linking with Mesh due to its loose nature and its use as a repository for info that doesn't fit elsewhere. I haven't yet tried ON 2010 and I wonder if that has built in features for what I'm trying to achieve.
    Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:27 AM
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    Conflict handling is something that the Live Mesh team acknowledged that they were working to improve. For now, you must resolve each manually.
    The conflicts would also appear on the PC when you open the folder and view the information in the sidebar that loads with Windows Explorer when viewing a Mesh folder.
    As far as I know, what you want to achieve with OneNote will be available in OneNote 2010, it just isn't live in the beta yet.
    http://blogs.msdn.com/david_rasmussen/archive/2009/05/12/onenote-2010-will-be-available-in-more-places-and-more-ways.aspx

    -steve
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    Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:59 PM
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    Thanks for your continuous assistance.

    I'm afraid I cant't see anything different in the sidebar in a mesh folder than in any other. I take it you mean the pane on the left. I tried in the View menu but there was no option.
    Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:05 PM
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    When you open any "meshed" folder in Explorer there should be an extra Mesh window attached to the normal Explorer window in the right hand side.  It may be shrunk to a narrow window, but can be expanded to show you what is going on with this meshed folder.

    Trevor
    Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:57 AM
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    Thanks, I've now found it.

    May I suggest that the device name responsible for the update is added to each news item, so you can easily see where the changes happened.
    Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:02 PM
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    Thanks, I've now found it.

    May I suggest that the device name responsible for the update is added to each news item, so you can easily see where the changes happened.

    That's been suggested before and I hope that it will make it to the next release of whatever we end up seeing. As I've said before, conflict resolution is ugly in Live Mesh and has been in need of a revamp for some time.
    -steve
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    Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:07 PM
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    By the way, have you managed to get everything working consistently again yet by resetting everything?
    -steve
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    Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:08 PM
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    I deleted the online folder, and immediately selected a folder on device1 to mesh which uploaded itself. I'm now on device 2 where I deleted the old meshed folder and expected it to download the recently uploaded new one. That however did not happen and despite that it said it's up date there was no mesh folder where it ought to have been and nor was there a shortcut on the desktop.

    So I deleted the whole device and reconnected it which finally gave me the shortcut on the desktop. So far no conflicts. I'll tell you what happens on device 3 and 4.
    Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:44 PM
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    I did the same on device 3 but here a link popped up on the desktop soon after. device 3 is an xp whereas device 2, where nothing happened after deletion of the meshed folder, is a W7. I also noticed that on the xp machine it wouldn't allow me to delete the meshed folder while offline. The W7 machine wasn't fussed.

    Does it make sense that the current release of LiveMesh was built for xp and has yet to catch up?

    Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:57 PM
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    Good news that you do NOT have to close ON for it to update. I opened ON at home, remoted on to my office, made some changes and switched to my home computer, clicked on the folder and the changes were there. It also works if you minimise and then restore. I don't think it works if the page is actually open and active, i.e. you won't see the changes appear in front of your eyes, so minimising or switching away is necessary. I suppose if you were to make changes on the not-changed or updated page prior to update you'd create a conflict.

    Like all magic you must close your eyes (or make the page vanish) for a moment and it happens!

    Perhaps you want to rename this thread Live Mesh and One Note to make it more relevant.
    Thursday, February 25, 2010 10:19 PM
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    I take back what I said about deleting meshed folders while offline. Both xp and w7 will not allow it.

    Friday, February 26, 2010 9:42 AM
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    I thought I had it all sorted and that all the devices were updating but alas that is not the case. The 2 devices with W7 seem to be working fine but the xp machine will not update. The livemesh icon gives me the last update as 27 Feb which is when I last used OneNote on one of the w7 machines, but on the xp computer the file has a 25 Feb date without the last updates. I disconnected LM in the hope that it will synch when reconnecting but it did not happen.

    Have to delete and download again.

    I've noticed that even on the machines that are working I sometimes get the other machine showing an imcomplete sentence shortly before my last bit of typing. I wish there would be a synch now button so that if I have to leave my laptop suddenly and slam the lid down i can just hit that button before I go to make sure my changes are uploaded.
    Monday, March 1, 2010 6:12 AM
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    I deleted the device and reconnected which caused the shared folder to download afresh. However, in one of the sections there was a 'placeholder file' for one of the individual pages within a section. When I tried to open it a message appeared that it's not a ON file. After leaving the folder for some time it finally updated itself, but originally I could not open the page despite that the folder had downloaded and the message said it was up to date. Is there no way to force a complete synch, for when problems such as these occur?
    Monday, March 1, 2010 9:38 AM
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    I take back what I said about deleting meshed folders while offline. Both xp and w7 will not allow it.


    You should never delete a Mesh folder. You need to change the folder settings to not sync to that device, and then only delete or move the folder after it changes from a Mesh folder (blue) to a normal folder (yellow).
    -steve
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    Monday, March 1, 2010 3:39 PM
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    Unfortunately, there is not manual Sync process. It should typically sync fairly quickly, but there are certainly times when a file does not update. Since Live Mesh is a beta, I'd be hesitant to expect it to work perfectly. I'm glad to read that it is generally working for you after a few false starts, though.
    -steve
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    Monday, March 1, 2010 3:41 PM
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