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MSDN branding footprint narrower? RRS feed

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  • Seems the width of MSDN branding today is much narrower which means more line wrapping and longer thread layout. Wondering why we did this?

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    Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:44 AM
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  • We are aligning with the other apps (Blogs / Galleries) etc. that have this width. Besides the more word wrapping is there anything on this new width that impacts your productivity or you dislike?


    Community Forums QA

    Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:03 AM
  • I didn't like the new MSDN look (change in width) 

    MSDN URL

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/f16b6bc2-9035-4ac2-944e-11eff1f98e38

    Technet URL

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/f16b6bc2-9035-4ac2-944e-11eff1f98e38

    Technet is much better, hope that will not be altered as well, please leave it as it is :-)


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    Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:35 AM
  • Yes, I dislike this new layout. It makes it harder to read and lots of space wasted.

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    Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:30 PM
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  • People have already complained in the TechNet forums about the narrow display. It particularly causes problems with code blocks. The "Insert Code Block" feature turns on a scroll bar when lines exceed the display width, which many dislike. I personnally attempt to shorten all code lines, using line continuation characters, to avoid the scroll bar.

    One of the most requested features in the TechNet Wiki is a "Wider Reading Area". The narrow display makes articles overly long. And tables in the Wiki often get cut off so text is lost. I believe we would see similar requests if the forum display narrows even further.


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services

    Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:39 PM
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  • A general waste of space plus what others have mentioned. I hope you'll consider switching it back and align in the other direction with old MSDN branding layout as template.

     

     

     


    Regards, Dave Patrick ....
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    Microsoft MVP [Windows]

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    Friday, May 17, 2013 1:16 AM
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  • In addition, in "My Threads", which uses the old format (not the new washed out format), in Chrome and SeaMonkey (and I assume FireFox) the "Replies" header is wrongly positioned. This did not happen before the view was made narrower.

    David Wilkinson | Visual C++ MVP

    Friday, May 17, 2013 1:59 PM
  • I agree with Richard and the others.  This is a bad change.  The narrow display converts text from a few wider lines into many short lines.  I, and I believe many others, find this harder to read and comprehend.

    But code blocks are made many times worse by the narrower format.  When text is too wide, you just wrap the text into many more shorter lines.  But, as Richard notes, a code block gets a scroll bar.  That means you cannot see the whole code segment at once.  Which means it is virtually impossible to comprehend the code without cutting and pasting it into some other program. 

    As an example of the difference, look at the following, both show the same thread, one in the new narrow format and one in the old wider format.  The code in the old format is far easier to work with.

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/transactsql/thread/d6bd21c3-3b0b-4362-887f-4381842c0896

    and

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/transactsql/thread/d6bd21c3-3b0b-4362-887f-4381842c0896

    Please do not take this as an argument for automatically wrapping long lines of code into many shorter ones.  Often the formatting of the code (including blank spaces or tabs) is to make the code more readable.  Auto wrapping of the lines would destroy the formatting which I and others intentionally put in the code to make it more comprehensible.

    Please go back to the old format.

    Tom

    Friday, May 17, 2013 3:49 PM
  • I agree with Tom - please give back the old layout.

    For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert. - Becker's Law


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    Friday, May 17, 2013 4:13 PM
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  • Wholeheartedly agree.  Wrapping code lines or code line scroll bars are not the answer.
    Friday, May 17, 2013 6:03 PM
  • Another sample

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/transactsql/thread/0680fabc-339b-4043-970c-0dbddca7bf91

    I tried to move parts of the code into new row even when it was logically wrong, but still part of the code is not visible. It is ridiculous. 


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    Sunday, May 19, 2013 1:04 PM
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  • I made sure the whole team is aware of the existence of this thread so we all are reading this feedback.

    Thanks for sharing your ideas and concerns.


    Community Forums QA

    Sunday, May 19, 2013 5:05 PM
  • Besides the more word wrapping is there anything on this new width that impacts your productivity or you dislike?

    I have a widescreen monitor (actually dual) where I most often use the MSDN forums.  The new narrow layout is a big waste of the real estate I've invested in and makes it particularly difficult to read long threads. 

    Although the narrow layout might be great for a phone, I suspect most users access this forum at work or home using a desktop.  I would at least like the option to view threads with a wider layout.


    Dan Guzman, SQL Server MVP, http://www.dbdelta.com

    Sunday, May 19, 2013 5:53 PM
  • +1 for everyone's comments on here. 


    Thanks, Andrew

    Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:49 PM
  • Thank you for posting this - I wasn't aware the same forums were accessible through Technet and the layout does look much better (at least at the moment)
    Sunday, May 19, 2013 8:49 PM