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  • Hi,

    I'm currently studying for 70-543 (TS: Visual Studio 2005 Tools for Office).

    Based on the "Preparation Materials" on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-543, I've bought myself the 3395 eLearning pack.

    However, the training seems extremely shallow.

    Hence, I was wondering:

    1. Can anyone make a brief comparison between the skills obtained from the learning pack, v.s. the level of skills required to pass the exam? As I've mentioned, the learning pack seems very shallow. While I can put a tick on each exam objective that is covered in the learning pack, I'm just not sure if I've learned enough, given the sheer size of the msdn library.


    2. Are there any legitimate practice test out there? Couldn't find any on MeasureUp of Self Test Software. Most of the search results I got were for TestKing, Pass4Sure, etc. There was one site "SelfExamEngine" that looks legitimate enough, but I can't be sure (CertGuard.com have been coughing up 404 pages for me), since their faq mentions "Actual exam questions"

    Thanks!

    Tuesday, June 23, 2009 3:47 AM

Answers

  • Hi Min,

    In my experience the e-learning is not so deep, and I couldn't say if using this alone will help you pass the exam. I would strongly recommend trying to find a book to go along with the course. While Microsoft Press are a little slow getting books to market at the moment, perhaps this one might help a bit:

    http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Visual-Studio-Tips-Sara/product-reviews/0735626405/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_helpful?ie=UTF8&coliid=&showViewpoints=1&colid=&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

    It has some ok reviews.

    You shouldn't use Testking or Passforsure for practice tests. MeasureUp and SelfTest (and the one at the back of
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    • Marked as answer by Min Chew Friday, June 26, 2009 12:22 AM
    Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:32 AM
  • Hi Min,

    It looks like Microsoft Press are again being a little slow getting the training to market. Unfortunately this doesn't help your current predicament. My personal experience is that between a book and the e-learning, if one of them didn't help me understand something, the other did.

    I wouldn't use any test sites that aren't MeasureUp or SelfTest, using these can invalidate your certification. I found these books which might help:

    http://www.compman.co.uk/scripts/browse.asp?ref=812931&source=M94

    http://www.shop-com.co.uk/Professional_Visual_Studio_2005_Tools_for_Office_Alvin_Bruney_Special_Order_(non_refundable)_2_3_weeks_despatch-29004090-37999632-p+.xhtml?sourceid=309

    I hope this helps out and good luck!

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    • Marked as answer by Min Chew Friday, June 26, 2009 12:22 AM
    Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:35 AM
  • And there was me thinking i hadn't posted the first time...

    Unfortunately (as far as I am aware) MeasureUp and SelfTest are the only legitimate test sites that I know of. Its really not a help I know. I don't know why Microsoft and Co can't get these things in order BEFORE releasing the exam.

    MCP, MCDST, MCTS x 4, MCITP x 2

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    • Marked as answer by Min Chew Friday, June 26, 2009 12:22 AM
    Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:39 AM

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  • Hi Min,

    In my experience the e-learning is not so deep, and I couldn't say if using this alone will help you pass the exam. I would strongly recommend trying to find a book to go along with the course. While Microsoft Press are a little slow getting books to market at the moment, perhaps this one might help a bit:

    http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Visual-Studio-Tips-Sara/product-reviews/0735626405/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_helpful?ie=UTF8&coliid=&showViewpoints=1&colid=&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

    It has some ok reviews.

    You shouldn't use Testking or Passforsure for practice tests. MeasureUp and SelfTest (and the one at the back of
    MCDST
    MCITP - Enterprise Support Technician - Charter Member
    MCTS - Vista Configuration - Charter Member
    MCTS - Volume Licensing Specialist, Small and Medium Organizations - Charter Member
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    MCTS: Windows Server 2008 Network Infrastructure, Configuring
    • Marked as answer by Min Chew Friday, June 26, 2009 12:22 AM
    Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:32 AM
  • Hi Min,

    It looks like Microsoft Press are again being a little slow getting the training to market. Unfortunately this doesn't help your current predicament. My personal experience is that between a book and the e-learning, if one of them didn't help me understand something, the other did.

    I wouldn't use any test sites that aren't MeasureUp or SelfTest, using these can invalidate your certification. I found these books which might help:

    http://www.compman.co.uk/scripts/browse.asp?ref=812931&source=M94

    http://www.shop-com.co.uk/Professional_Visual_Studio_2005_Tools_for_Office_Alvin_Bruney_Special_Order_(non_refundable)_2_3_weeks_despatch-29004090-37999632-p+.xhtml?sourceid=309

    I hope this helps out and good luck!

    MCDST
    MCITP - Enterprise Support Technician - Charter Member
    MCTS - Vista Configuration - Charter Member
    MCTS - Volume Licensing Specialist, Small and Medium Organizations - Charter Member
    MCITP - Consumer Support Technician
    MCTS - Windows Server 2008, Active Directory Configuration
    MCTS: Windows Server 2008 Network Infrastructure, Configuring
    • Marked as answer by Min Chew Friday, June 26, 2009 12:22 AM
    Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:35 AM
  • Hi Brian,

    Thanks for the reply.

    Too bad that the eLearning pack is not deep enough. Will probably have to do it the way I studied for 70-536: MSDN.

    As for the practice test sites, like I mentioned: MeasureUp and SelfTest do not have any practice questions for 70-543. :( I've learned to stay away from TestKing and Pass4Sure (as advised by CertGuard).

    However, I still need practice questions to measure my knowledge. Are there any other legitimate test sites/practice test providers that you would recommend?

    Thanks!
    Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:06 AM
  • And there was me thinking i hadn't posted the first time...

    Unfortunately (as far as I am aware) MeasureUp and SelfTest are the only legitimate test sites that I know of. Its really not a help I know. I don't know why Microsoft and Co can't get these things in order BEFORE releasing the exam.

    MCP, MCDST, MCTS x 4, MCITP x 2

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    • Marked as answer by Min Chew Friday, June 26, 2009 12:22 AM
    Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:39 AM
  • After studying for 70-543 this few weeks, with eLearning, MSDN and a VSTO book as my resources, I finally took the exam this morning. However, without any practice test to gauge what I've learnt, the exam felt really hard. By the end of the exam, I seriously thought I was going to fail. But... I PASSED!!!!!!!

    Here's what I've learned so far (without breaking the NDA of course)

    1. eLearning is WAAAAAAAY to shallow. Was only useful as a reference list of concepts/classes that I need to learn.
    2. MSDN's Office Development section is the ultimate study guide.
    3. If you come across a class/method/property/event that you don't know too well, and think it's not going to be in the exam... think again
    4. If there are N ways of calling a method, make sure you learn at least N/2 ways.
    5. If there are N ways of doing something, make sure you learn at least N/2 ways.
    6. Just working with VSTO for 6 months-1 year is insufficient to pass the exam. Muscle memory isn't as useful as you think it is. Use the "Skills Measured" list instead.
    7. Class/Method/Property/Event names matter.
    8. Constructors' parameter list matters (see 4)
    9. If you're taking the exam and can't figure out what is the right answer, use the process of elimination to find the wrong ones. Doesn't feel as good as KNOWING the right answer, but still gets the job done.
    10. Create your own notes. Use the Skills Measured list as a table-of-contents, and fill in each section using MSDN.

    For the things that can't be found on MSDN (eg, explanation of concepts, etc), get Visual Studio Tools for Office: Using C# with Excel, Word, Outlook, and InfoPath (ISBN-10: 0321334884). Not sure about the 2007 edition (since I don't have that), but the version that I mentioned help me grasp some of the concepts that I just couldn't find in MSDN.

    Wished I had spent more time with MSDN and the VSTO book, than on eLearning.

    Finally, I can get back to studying for 70-505. Had to put that on hold for 70-543. Still have my eyes set on MCPD.

    By the way, 70-543 gives me MCP, right? Unlike 70-536, which needs to be coupled with another exam.

    Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:58 AM
  • Like what Eric said, that's a braindump.

    Don't think there are any legal practice tests for 70-543. Not listed on MeasureUp, SelfTest, or Transcender.

    My only source of learning is MSDN, the VSTO book I mentioned, and the eLearning (as helpless as it seem, it does give me a huge list of terms/classes/concepts which I had to lookup on MSDN/VSTO book)

     

    Thursday, July 2, 2009 12:24 AM