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Looks like square one is to create a diagnostic report. My computer has a key for windows vista (ultimate) but is running windows 7 ultimate ( for which I do not have a key) I was told the ultimate was genuine, but I'd like to figure out if its hacked or the person I got it from is using the key else where so I can leave them feedback, might a diagnostic let us know that.
I also dont understand the "ownership" of windows software (please dont send me some giant document) I'd like to figure out if because I have this vista key if I can purchase the upgrade option????? Trying to figure out my best options. I have a legit win7pro on my other computer, so EZ solution may be...Install that on this computer......I guess then the other computer becomes invalid???? Thats fine it can run on my old XP or something....I have a new laptop and that one is redundant now.
So
A) Id like to see if my illegit win7 is hacked or just being used elsewhere.
Maybe the point will be moot as i dont have a key, but maybe i can contact the seller and get legit as they said.
Could be the case they did the upgrade online and I can figure that out.
1. how do i create a diagnostic report?
B) With the Vista key do I qualify for win7 upgrade? This is important because if so I might do the family pack upgrade. Jesus some versions of your oses sure do cost hella much
1. I believe this 3 key upgrade will also upgrade XP not just vista????
C)What happens when and If I put my full install win7 pro on the new computer...I know you cant have it on multiple machines (oh the good old days of windows oses)
D) whilst I have the non genuine windows still on here does the computer run any differently besides the black screen? Slower perhaps?
E) If I just pay for a key from y'all I suppose I'm good to go without doing a full reinstall.
F) Why do you make these oses and other products so freaking prohibitively expensive, seems you could have one version of your OS instead of several sell it cheap enough where everyone wants it, and have very few non genuine versions.
Saturday, May 7, 2011 7:20 PM
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"wyocoyote" wrote in message news:f4234658-bb7c-46b9-b869-a7e87e478d09...
Looks like square one is to create a diagnostic report. My computer has a key for windows vista (ultimate) but is running windows 7 ultimate ( for which I do not have a key) I was told the ultimate was genuine, but I'd like to figure out if its hacked or the person I got it from is using the key else where so I can leave them feedback, might a diagnostic let us know that.
I also dont understand the "ownership" of windows software (please dont send me some giant document) I'd like to figure out if because I have this vista key if I can purchase the upgrade option????? Trying to figure out my best options. I have a legit win7pro on my other computer, so EZ solution may be...Install that on this computer......I guess then the other computer becomes invalid???? Thats fine it can run on my old XP or something....I have a new laptop and that one is redundant now.
So
A) Id like to see if my illegit win7 is hacked or just being used elsewhere.
Maybe the point will be moot as i dont have a key, but maybe i can contact the seller and get legit as they said.
Could be the case they did the upgrade online and I can figure that out.
B) With the Vista key do I qualify for win7 upgrade? This is important because if so I might do the family pack upgrade. Jesus some versions of your oses sure do cost hella much
1. I believe this 3 key upgrade will also upgrade XP not just vista????
C)What happens when and If I put my full install win7 pro on the new computer...I know you cant have it on multiple machines (oh the good old days of windows oses)
D) whilst I have the non genuine windows still on here does the computer run any differently besides the black screen? Slower perhaps?
E) If I just pay for a key from y'all I suppose I'm good to go without doing a full reinstall.
F) Why do you make these oses and other products so freaking prohibitively expensive, seems you could have one version of your OS instead of several sell it cheap enough where everyone wants it, and have very few non genuine versions.
It's very easy - Unless you gat the Proof of Purchase and Certificate of Authenticity (and the relevant disk) with your computer, the installation is not valid, as they form part of the license.If you did get the above, then the installation may still be counterfeit (possibly through no fault of the previous owner)Non-genuine Windows bars the user from certain programs and updates - for instance, a non-genuine system cannot install MSE, and if MSE is already installed, then there is a 30-day grace period in which the user can correct the problem before it 'jumps ship'.If you purchase a full Retail package for whatever is currently installed, you can simply change the product key - but it's NOT recommended, as you can never be sure that the previous user hasn't installed rootkits or other malware that can evade any malware scanner.I would ALWAYS reinstall a 2nd-hand system, whatever the history, for the same reason. My details are mine - and I want them to stay that way except in specific circumstances over which I have control.Feel free to post an MGADiag report - but I suspect that it will show an MSDN Key, or an OEM install with a Loader used to hack the activation.To properly analyse and solve problems with Activation and Validation, we need to see a full copy of the report produced by the MGADiag tool (download and save to desktop - http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=52012 )
Once saved, run the tool.
Click on the Continue button, which will produce the report.
To copy the report to your response, click on the Copy button in the tool (ignore any error messages at this point), and then paste (using either r-click/Paste, or Ctrl+V ) into your response.
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Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth- Proposed as answer by Darin Smith MS Monday, May 9, 2011 10:35 PM
- Marked as answer by Darin Smith MS Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:52 PM
Saturday, May 7, 2011 7:32 PMModerator -
As to your question about upgrading, If the PC has a sticker with a Vista Product Key on it then that PC originally came with Vista pre-installed and it is still licensed to run that version of Vista. Meaning you do have the option to use an Upgrade to go from that Vista to Windows 7. The catch is that you would need to contact the Manufacturer of that PC and get the Vista Recovery Disks (for that specific PC model), use the disks to install Vista...only Then can you use the Upgrade to Windows 7. Also if, in the future, you ever needed to reinstall that upgrade Windows 7 you would first have to reinstall that Vista and then reinstall the Upgrade to Windows 7.
Upgrades can be a good option for some people to get a lower priced Windows, but it does tend to involve more work (headaches) then most people first realize. Personally I'm not a fan of using Upgrades but that's my own opinion. Some people love having the Upgrade option.
Darin MS- Proposed as answer by Darin Smith MS Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:42 PM
- Marked as answer by Darin Smith MS Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:52 PM
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:36 PM
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"wyocoyote" wrote in message news:f4234658-bb7c-46b9-b869-a7e87e478d09...
Looks like square one is to create a diagnostic report. My computer has a key for windows vista (ultimate) but is running windows 7 ultimate ( for which I do not have a key) I was told the ultimate was genuine, but I'd like to figure out if its hacked or the person I got it from is using the key else where so I can leave them feedback, might a diagnostic let us know that.
I also dont understand the "ownership" of windows software (please dont send me some giant document) I'd like to figure out if because I have this vista key if I can purchase the upgrade option????? Trying to figure out my best options. I have a legit win7pro on my other computer, so EZ solution may be...Install that on this computer......I guess then the other computer becomes invalid???? Thats fine it can run on my old XP or something....I have a new laptop and that one is redundant now.
So
A) Id like to see if my illegit win7 is hacked or just being used elsewhere.
Maybe the point will be moot as i dont have a key, but maybe i can contact the seller and get legit as they said.
Could be the case they did the upgrade online and I can figure that out.
B) With the Vista key do I qualify for win7 upgrade? This is important because if so I might do the family pack upgrade. Jesus some versions of your oses sure do cost hella much
1. I believe this 3 key upgrade will also upgrade XP not just vista????
C)What happens when and If I put my full install win7 pro on the new computer...I know you cant have it on multiple machines (oh the good old days of windows oses)
D) whilst I have the non genuine windows still on here does the computer run any differently besides the black screen? Slower perhaps?
E) If I just pay for a key from y'all I suppose I'm good to go without doing a full reinstall.
F) Why do you make these oses and other products so freaking prohibitively expensive, seems you could have one version of your OS instead of several sell it cheap enough where everyone wants it, and have very few non genuine versions.
It's very easy - Unless you gat the Proof of Purchase and Certificate of Authenticity (and the relevant disk) with your computer, the installation is not valid, as they form part of the license.If you did get the above, then the installation may still be counterfeit (possibly through no fault of the previous owner)Non-genuine Windows bars the user from certain programs and updates - for instance, a non-genuine system cannot install MSE, and if MSE is already installed, then there is a 30-day grace period in which the user can correct the problem before it 'jumps ship'.If you purchase a full Retail package for whatever is currently installed, you can simply change the product key - but it's NOT recommended, as you can never be sure that the previous user hasn't installed rootkits or other malware that can evade any malware scanner.I would ALWAYS reinstall a 2nd-hand system, whatever the history, for the same reason. My details are mine - and I want them to stay that way except in specific circumstances over which I have control.Feel free to post an MGADiag report - but I suspect that it will show an MSDN Key, or an OEM install with a Loader used to hack the activation.To properly analyse and solve problems with Activation and Validation, we need to see a full copy of the report produced by the MGADiag tool (download and save to desktop - http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=52012 )
Once saved, run the tool.
Click on the Continue button, which will produce the report.
To copy the report to your response, click on the Copy button in the tool (ignore any error messages at this point), and then paste (using either r-click/Paste, or Ctrl+V ) into your response.
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Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth- Proposed as answer by Darin Smith MS Monday, May 9, 2011 10:35 PM
- Marked as answer by Darin Smith MS Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:52 PM
Saturday, May 7, 2011 7:32 PMModerator -
As to your question about upgrading, If the PC has a sticker with a Vista Product Key on it then that PC originally came with Vista pre-installed and it is still licensed to run that version of Vista. Meaning you do have the option to use an Upgrade to go from that Vista to Windows 7. The catch is that you would need to contact the Manufacturer of that PC and get the Vista Recovery Disks (for that specific PC model), use the disks to install Vista...only Then can you use the Upgrade to Windows 7. Also if, in the future, you ever needed to reinstall that upgrade Windows 7 you would first have to reinstall that Vista and then reinstall the Upgrade to Windows 7.
Upgrades can be a good option for some people to get a lower priced Windows, but it does tend to involve more work (headaches) then most people first realize. Personally I'm not a fan of using Upgrades but that's my own opinion. Some people love having the Upgrade option.
Darin MS- Proposed as answer by Darin Smith MS Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:42 PM
- Marked as answer by Darin Smith MS Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:52 PM
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:36 PM -
"Darin Smith MS" wrote in message news:e77f4ab6-7e96-48df-8577-375d0cd99488...
Upgrades can be a good option for some people to get a lower priced Windows, but it does tend to involve more work (headaches) then most people first realize. Personally I'm not a fan of using Upgrades but that's my own opinion. Some people love having the Upgrade option.
Darin MS
....and it's worth knowing that the Upgrade option is still a available if you have a Full license :)
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Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed SlothTuesday, May 10, 2011 10:09 PMModerator -
I too avoid upgrade licenses. I hate having to dig out an old copy just to reinstall a system. Full editions cost $100 more but I like the complete independence.
Colin Barnhorst Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on DIY with 6GB ram.Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:10 PMAnswerer