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    Hey guys,

    Good initiative but

    1. Absolutely beastly performance (complete lack thereof)

    2. Some icons more suitable for some adolescent MySpace page rather than MS forums site
    3. Do not like jumpin-jack-flash message editor; and it does something in the background while you type, and it is so darn slow doing it that I cannot type without pausing to wait for it
    4. In My Threads, thread list does not have forum category, so it is not possible to jump to"MSDN > Forums > Suggestions and Feedback for the Forums" or whatever forum your thread was opened in, you must open the message for that
    5. When you create new thread, can one turn off that irritating search on type?
    6. Will there be some setting to turn all those kool avatars off?
    7. Will people in bandwidth challenged countries have an option of scaled down lean version?

    And most important - will the search be working in new version?

    Thanks for listeining.

    Cheers, Eugene

    Blog at http://teamfoundation.blogspot.com
    Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:10 AM

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    Hi Eugene, thanks for the feedback.


    We're actively working on a number of fixes to improve performance. Please keep checking back over the coming weeks, and let us know if your experience doesn't improve. We’re also looking at some improvements in the next release which should improve the performance of the editor specifically.


    There isn’t a setting to turn off avatars, but the site should work well with images turned off in IE, which I know has been an issue raised with the old platform.


    Have you tried using search? Is it working as you expect?


    Thanks,
    -Andrew

    Andrew Brenner, Forums Product Planner
    Friday, February 22, 2008 9:08 PM
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    Eugene Zakhareyev said:

    Hey guys,

    Good initiative but

    1. Absolutely beastly performance (complete lack thereof)

    2. Some icons more suitable for some adolescent MySpace page rather than MS forums site
    3. Do not like jumpin-jack-flash message editor; and it does something in the background while you type, and it is so darn slow doing it that I cannot type without pausing to wait for it
    4. In My Threads, thread list does not have forum category, so it is not possible to jump to"MSDN > Forums > Suggestions and Feedback for the Forums" or whatever forum your thread was opened in, you must open the message for that
    5. When you create new thread, can one turn off that irritating search on type?
    6. Will there be some setting to turn all those kool avatars off?
    7. Will people in bandwidth challenged countries have an option of scaled down lean version?

    And most important - will the search be working in new version?

    Thanks for listeining.

    Cheers, Eugene

    Blog at http://teamfoundation.blogspot.com



    1 - True. So far.
    2 - I agree.
    3 - Seems okay to me so far.
    4 - Good idea.
    5 - Agreed. I think the goal is to get someone to search BEFORE posting. Will they really start typing a new thread and say, "Oh, this has already been asked before, I'll just click on that and throw away what I've typed so far." NO, they'll just post it anyway because either they aren't reading the side panel (I'm not because I'm too busy typing) or they just don't care.
    6 - AGREED. Avatars? Seriously? For a technical community?
    7 - GREAT POINT.

    It's no secret that I'm extremely critical of forum performane and usability. Please, would the forums team drop "fancy" features and focus on providing a lean and functional forum platform? This means stripping down bandwidth consuming features (turning images off in your browser is not a solution, by the way) at all costs.

    This is not a social networking site. For that, I'd go to MSN. As it stands now, these forums are to be used as tools in solving problems, and doing so in such a way that is convenient and easy for the users.


    Phil Brammer | http://www.ssistalk.com
    Friday, February 22, 2008 9:47 PM
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    Improving performance is our top priority right now, and we have a number of improvements in the works.


    For throttling the experience in low bandwidth situations, we’re looking a number of options to address this in the future - stay tuned.

    Andrew Brenner, Forums Product Planner
    Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:42 PM
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    Andrew,

    Thanks for you reply. I will wait until the performance is adequate (I asked some friends in Russia to have a look at it, and they gave up as the pages were timing out).

    Regarding search
    - I think it is a good practice to retain the search string (it becomes empty in search result)
    - The global Browse by tag sidebar just takes space in the search results screen; I think we can do without and use the space for results (say move start new thread button there)
    - And now for search. I have searched for word "beastly" (appeared in the opening post). Worked ok. Searched for "beast" - no luck. Huh? Search does not support any wildcards?
    - Search performance is still atrocious (you can even say beastly :). And that is for small pilot DB

    And another thing that absolutely killed me. As I was typing this, I clicked on Need Help with Forums link in the upper right corner (quite accidentally). Boom! The editor was gone, and so all text I have typed. How about asking user confirmation (as Community Server guys do in their UI) when user clicks the link that discards changes?

    Thanks,

    Eugene

    Blog at http://teamfoundation.blogspot.com
    Monday, March 10, 2008 5:59 AM
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    And oh, I agree with Phil Brammer - forget about all that social networking ____. If people want avatars, they go to Channel 9. Let's have lightning fast (both for forums and search) and lean forums, that help people in finding answers to their problems.

    Yours truly,

    Eugene

    Blog at http://teamfoundation.blogspot.com
    Monday, March 10, 2008 6:02 AM
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    Eugene,


    We have addressed the clicking any links while replying for our next release in a couple weeks, so you'll get asked to confirm before any action that would take you to another screen.

    As for performance, we are investigating using CDNs to get host our static resource files (images, css and jscript) that should help users around the world. We've also released some major perf improvements in our queries and caching.

    We've also got a new text editor coming that is much lighter weight then the current version so that should help as well.

    As for Search, we're investigating new search improvements over what we're using now but that may take us some time before we're ready with those.

    thanks for all your input.

    Sam Jarawan STO Forums Senior Development Lead
    Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:54 AM